Discussion On The ATI Radeon 5*** Series Before They Have Been Released Thread

paininlife · 13 Sep 2009 at 16:28

well tbh ,wt ever u guys say,call me a ATI fan, but the thing is ATi cards are cheap and compete with nvidia's expensive cards, lyk get urself 2 x 4890 in the price of 1 gtx 295 and out perfom it

titaniumx3 · 13 Sep 2009 at 16:34

Who cares if it's not six times as powerful, if it soundly beats the previous generation of dual gpu cards, thats good enough.

tmaxxthomson · 13 Sep 2009 at 16:36

hehe. its more than good enough! if it soundly beats the last generation of single GPU cards. shouldnt that be good enough? i think so anyways xD

Zarf · 13 Sep 2009 at 16:37

Checkmate? I do hope NV sort their house out, don't see them hitting back with anything more than offering us free cereal box 3d "glasses" and convincing us Batman is more important than DX11.

Obviously it's a bit early to get over-excited, but this does look like a promising swing of vid card power back towards ATI/AMD for a while. Which is great news for two reasons. First, it's always great when any manfacturer comes up with a really impressive product. Second AMD are hurting pretty badly (sadly!) in the CPU field at the moment. The revenue and kudos generated by this ought to help their 3rd quarter results (perhaps explaining the launch squeezed into September) and boost morale.

nVidia has too great a grasp of Marketing and OEM relationships. Even when they don't have the product to compete they'll still outsell ATi Two to One.
People like us who actually keep up to date with articles and benchmarks, and know the score as to what cards are the best value make up a very small amount of the market.

If ATi want to overtake nVidia they need to step up their name with marketing, along with having the better product for three or four generations straight.

Final8y · 13 Sep 2009 at 16:40

Rroff said:
Yeah but have you tried with 1 GPU with similiar performance to your 3-4 card setup? even going from 8800GT SLI to an OC'd 260GTX giving very slightly lower fps than the GT SLI setup it was noticeable - tho not massive - from my experience with quad SLI its even more noticeable when you've used both... not had much experience with crossfireX tho.

i have not noticed any when going from 1900xt CF to a 3870 single.

gareth170 · 13 Sep 2009 at 17:06

i need an idea of how fast the 5850.

does anyone think the 5850 will be faster then 2 4850?

im asking because i wanna buy either a AM3 platform or a 5850

fizzle-187 · 13 Sep 2009 at 17:33

titaniumx3 said:
Who cares if it's not six times as powerful, if it soundly beats the previous generation of dual gpu cards, thats good enough.

Indeed mate. Lets hope the rumours speculated are true

bridder · 13 Sep 2009 at 18:12

Zarf said:
nVidia has too great a grasp of Marketing and OEM relationships. Even when they don't have the product to compete they'll still outsell ATi Two to One.
People like us who actually keep up to date with articles and benchmarks, and know the score as to what cards are the best value make up a very small amount of the market.

If ATi want to overtake nVidia they need to step up their name with marketing, along with having the better product for three or four generations straight.

Perhaps in the past but not so much these days, take for instance the laptop OEM market, a market that is booming and ATi have just taken a gigantic leap in this market thanks to bumpgate which cost NVIDIA just in write offs a third of a billion :eek:

Wasn't it 200 million initially and then another 111 million recently added to cover costs of their dodgy chips?

Maybe more to come as well, who knows?

Also don't underestimate what the 4xxx series GPUs have done for ATi, hell you can see it just from watching this forum over the last year (the change that is) and unless NV sort out their monster 550mm G300 on 40nm :eek:

they may find themselves in for a world of hurt again for another 6-12 months.

What I don't understand is why no derivative parts like ATi have done, NVs 40nm process just hasn't worked out for them and that is where the money is in the lower end and some of their renaming offerings are maybe tainted with the bumpgate sticky mud,

According to Charlie NV are out at Apple soon, out at Dell big time and other OEMs are p***ed at them too, they need some good news real soon I think, IMHO...

J.

Rroff · 13 Sep 2009 at 18:24

They aren't going to do badly for awhile tho... G92 core sales are still on a rising trend for now and outpacing 48xx sales by quite a ratio.

They do seem to have over-reached themselves tho... so we'll have to see.

tdream · 13 Sep 2009 at 19:37

Rroff said:
They aren't going to do badly for awhile tho... G92 core sales are still on a rising trend for now and outpacing 48xx sales by quite a ratio.

They do seem to have over-reached themselves tho... so we'll have to see.

Is that a fair statement to make?

Considering G92 core is used in the 8 series, 9 series and the 200 series.

October 29, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series#Technical_summary
April 1, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_Series#Technical_summary
March 3, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series#Technical_summary

layte · 13 Sep 2009 at 19:47

The clutching of straws by some in this thread is awesome. I am prepared for epic rage when we get some real benchmarks.

As for the OEM thing, OEM's are interested in ticking boxes, ATI can tick the very precious DX11 box. Little wonder they are picking up deals left, right and centre.

bru · 13 Sep 2009 at 20:50

In my oppinion all of you who are expecting the 5870 to trounce the gtx295 by a huge margin are going to be very dissapointed.
I doubt that the 5870 will be as fast as a gtx295 at all let alone beat it. and dont even think about reposting that image of a graph showing the 5870oc miles ahead, as that has no proof of being real at all.

heres a graph i found earlier.

NV 8800gts er i mean 9800gtx er no 9800gtx+ nope gtx250
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ATI 5850
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ATI 4850
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NV gtx 300
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gurusan · 13 Sep 2009 at 20:52

tbh I would be very surprised if it beat a GTX 295 as well.

londonbairn · 13 Sep 2009 at 20:56

The ATi slides make a distinct claim that it's the world's fastest GPU.

RE: G92 core sales, I'd like to see some proof, otherwise it's your opinion. In my opinion, I think 4xxx series is larger than 2xx

Rroff · 13 Sep 2009 at 21:05

Yes 4800 series sales are up on the 200 series - 200 series sales are actually pretty small now - although the 260GTX is out selling the 4870/4890 somewhat but 4850 is hitting pretty hard - 275, 285 and 295 don't even make up enough between them to be indistinguishable from 0%.

Even not taking the 9 and 250 cards into account the G92 cores were on a rising trend - but just checking the data before posting as its been updated with Augusts details and they have actually dropped off (tho only slightly) compared to July - what I said was true up until very recently.

Rroff · 13 Sep 2009 at 21:13

bru said:
In my oppinion all of you who are expecting the 5870 to trounce the gtx295 by a huge margin are going to be very dissapointed.
I doubt that the 5870 will be as fast as a gtx295 at all let alone beat it. and dont even think about reposting that image of a graph showing the 5870oc miles ahead, as that has no proof of being real at all.

bare in mind that the 5870 has slightly over twice the specs of a single core of the 295GTX and the 295GTX as a whole has to rely on SLI for its performance which on average only scales around 70%... the 5800 series also take less of a hit from AA - so depending on the conditions your looking at between 15-45% higher performance than a 295GTX... with obvious extremes above that when the 295GTX can't use SLI at all or properly.

r2d2 · 13 Sep 2009 at 21:24

I have a 295gtx and was reasonably pleased with the performance.

I think the 5870 will beat the 295gtx and maybe even the mars bar.

kylew · 13 Sep 2009 at 21:25

Rroff said:
bare in mind that the 5870 has slightly over twice the specs of a single core of the 295GTX and the 295GTX as a whole has to rely on SLI for its performance which on average only scales around 70%... the 5800 series also take less of a hit from AA - so depending on the conditions your looking at between 15-45% higher performance than a 295GTX... with obvious extremes above that when the 295GTX can't use SLI at all or properly.

It's just a case of using common sense really.

glowball · 13 Sep 2009 at 21:54

The only hint of benchmarks have also been with overclocked 58xx's

Dauthi · 13 Sep 2009 at 22:50

I can see the 5870 being faster than the 285 but slower than the 295 with out AA.

I can see the 5870 catching if not beating the 295 when you start increaseing AA.

Just wish there was more to go on than rumors and a chart for an overclocked 5870 with AA that no one has a clue where its actually from.