Yeah take aways and most chocolate are what I miss the most surprisingly.He's not yet but give him time and he may change! The only time it bothers me is when we want to order a take away. He's my younger brother so i'll pay for him but last time I had to pay £20 for a vegan pizza and it looked awful. I'm still angry about it today!
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I think for vegans it's having to live in a world where, what they consider horrific, is seen as normal by the majority. Imagine a world where something you find unimaginable, is accepted as normal by everyone else, and you have to live in the world seeing it all the time.
As for plant based people, they're in it for health reasons generally and not the ethical reasons.
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Pizzas most definitely. And paneer curry. And generally just the ease of not having to think whether I can or can't have something. Chocolate is limited, cake more so. The Rhythm 108 truffle bar is a current favourite for chocolate.
Well, to be fair. In most instances a vegan often goes on about it in a manner which, either intentionally or not, suggests they're morally superior. Now I am not saying that is the case for you and I am not suggesting that we all make fun of people for their diet choices. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I don't really care what someone decides to live off. In most cases I'm judging the individual. Though when your personality becomes 'vegan' then I suppose I have a bit of disdain for them. But that's not exclusive to vegans it expands to everything.
Well then the vegans should learn a lesson that they're not the centre of the universe and the world doesn't revolve around them. They should learn to practice a bit of perspective. Just because vegans see it that way doesn't give them cart blanche to try and force everyone else to see their reality. "What is normal to the spider is chaos to the fly". Life is all about perspective.
Ultimately, and i think it's important to not lose sight of this fact, morals and morality is made up. Not eating meat may align with your moral compass but from my perspective eating meat is a completely normal and natural thing to do. Neither of us are morally righteous over the other in this instance. You may feel that your morals are superior to mine but it doesn't make it a fact.
Humanity will never agree on morals as it can vary from culture to culture so to expect everyone to go vegan cause some people find it horrific... yeah, not going to happen.
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I have cachexia and the hospital nutritionist has told me I must not stop eating fish and meat. The large amounts of energy and protein in it is very important and would be very hard to get from a vegan diet with my limited appetite
Its all about the delivery and if the audience is receptive. Some people clearly feel guilt and sometimes seeing a brutal dairy video or being shown done pics will actually get someone to either reduce or even go full vegan.
But other times people are full on carnivore and either turn a blind eye or aren't bothered by how the food gets there.
I have no issue with being shown how things are.. I don't really like to live in ignorance. For example I'd never ever eat meat in some (and quite a few now I know) countries due to the animal welfare aspect.
But I'd never know if I wasn't shown. But there's a fine line between showing people who want to know and shoving it in people's faces who don't care.
I have had similar experiences with the few vegans I’ve come across. Definitely seems to be a theme with many of them. Maybe it’s self re-enforcement from social media groups that develops to radicalism.
I'd go as far too say a vegan is mortally superior to me. Because I know and believe intensive farming is down right cruel. But I'm not vegan.
If you care about animals, and you cause them harm with intensive farming, and you know about it, and there are alternatives,... And someone else is in the same boat but doesn't eat meat? Yeah I'd concede they are morally superior if you class morality as "causing the least amount of pain possible to sentient, higher organisms"
If you care about animals, and you cause them harm with intensive farming, and you know about it, and there are alternatives,... And someone else is in the same boat but doesn't eat meat? Yeah I'd concede they are morally superior if you class morality as "causing the least amount of pain possible to sentient, higher organisms"
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Mortally is a bit extreme
Hard, but not impossible. But yeah I understand what you are saying.
The only thing I dislike is mistreatment of animals whilst being reared. Now to a vegan that may sound like a contradiction but to me, that aligns with my morals.
As I said earlier in the thread. Before I was 10, probably closer to 7 or 8, I had slaughtered my first chicken, plucked it and help prepare it. Perhaps that is why I have the opinion which I do.
Meat is good for the body. Is it essential? Well, I guess seeing as people are able to live life plant-based I would argue it's not but that doesn't mean meat doesn't have benefits.
If someone decides to not eat meat, then more power to them. If someone tries to use a weak moral argument agaisnt me for a reason to not consume meat? Happily laugh in their face.
It's what happens when people confuse their own feelings and opinions for facts that everyone should adhere to.
My wife isn't vegan, my kids aren't vegan, none of my friends are. If my personality became vegan then I'm sure these relationships would struggle. In fact not all my friends even know I am vegan (I switched during lockdown).
Also, I'm categorically not an animal lover. I'm allergic to dogs and cats and have never really had any kind of emotional attachment to any animal at all. But when I spent part of lockdown researching veganism for health reasons (I was doing keto at the time) I couldn't find a convincing argument not to make the switch for what became an ethical issue.
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It takes like 4 quorn steaks to get as much protein as 1 8oz sirloin. I really don’t like tofu either, so where would that leave me
You're putting these things far more eloquently than I can, what you've been saying is pretty much how I feel. Similar experience with the slaughtering of a chicken as well even!
Isn't all your food microwave meals anyway? Just buy some microwave vegan meals.
I don't like mistreatment. I'm fine with the actual killing of animals for eating. But, unfortunately, in my mind our intensive farming is so brutal.
A chicken killed that's lived a free range life with a quick neck break? Yeah ill eat that.
A chicken that's grown up too heavy to walk, with sores from being left sitting half it's life and then the very imperfect ways they are slaughtered? No. I can't go there in my mind.
Obviously almost all meat is intensively farmed. And even then profit margins are almost non existent on small scale.
Unfortunately cruelty = profit or saving on cost to consumer.
But at a fundamental level I don't have an issue killing animals for meat.. Just intensive farming.
Nuts maybe. Although not great for digestion and the potential for allergic/inflammatory reaction could be an issue in large quantities.
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Haters gonna hate. Last micro meal I had was over a month ago
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