Distasteful vegan TV ad

[Crizzy]

It takes like 4 quorn steaks to get as much protein as 1 8oz sirloin. I really don’t like tofu either, so where would that leave me

I don't know, I'm not a nutritionist and it's not something I have to worry about.

But there are millions of vegans who manage to get what they need, probably many of which have the same medical condition as you. I imagine it will be difficult but if you had the conviction it might just be possible?

Again and again I will say though if you literally had no other option and needed meat to survive then I would say it's justified.

 

[visibleman]

Same applies to vegans as a whole, why wouldn't it?

Probably bad wording on my part.
I was directly replying to your statement that vegan's end goal is for the planet to go vegan ("...everyone becoming vegan overnight..." and "Vegans acknowledge the change has to be gradual...") when the reality is that the masses won't become vegan (regardless of accessibility) and the best outcome, and what the goal should arguably be, is a reduction of animal consumption rather than outright planet veganism.

 

[Junglist]

I don't like mistreatment. I'm fine with the actual killing of animals for eating. But, unfortunately, in my mind our intensive farming is so brutal.

A chicken killed that's lived a free range life with a quick neck break? Yeah ill eat that.

A chicken that's grown up too heavy to walk, with sores from being left sitting half it's life and then the very imperfect ways they are slaughtered? No. I can't go there in my mind.

Obviously almost all meat is intensively farmed. And even then profit margins are almost non existent on small scale.

Unfortunately cruelty = profit or saving on cost to consumer.

But at a fundamental level I don't have an issue killing animals for meat.. Just intensive farming.

We're essentially two wings of the same chicken bird.

The birds I slaughtered were home raised hens living their best life in Jamiaca. As i said earlier. Where possible I try and make ethical choices with my meat. With chicken that means free range (fortunately I favour thigh rather than buying an entire chicken) both for the meat and the eggs. We have a butcher 5 minutes away that is cheaper than the supermarket for red meat so we go to him for beef and bones for treats for our dog.

I'm at ease knowing the meat I eat came from a living mammal/bird/fish. What I'm not at ease with is the amount of waste we produce. Killing to consume and use is fine. Killing for sport is pure scumbag moves.

 

[dlockers]

Haters gonna hate. Last micro meal I had was over a month ago

No hate, I just thought that was your craic (and therefore easy to swap to a vegan diet and test it!)

 

[Tony Edwards]

I saw the ad last night and it was pretty weak really.

They should show the cows coming out of the sheds after winter and running around and then show some clips of cows lying on peoples laps. Then show the carcass and then the meat cooked.

 

[Crizzy]

A chicken killed that's lived a free range life with a quick neck break? Yeah ill eat that.

But this isn't really a thing though, and if you eat out then pretty much most of what you'd eat would be factory farmed unless otherwise specified.

If you have your own chickens or know exactly the farm where they come from genuinely takes care of their animals that's great, but it doesn't always mean an easy death and this option is not exactly sustainable and easily available to a majority of people.

Probably bad wording on my part.
I was directly replying to your statement that vegan's end goal is for the planet to go vegan ("...everyone becoming vegan overnight..." and "Vegans acknowledge the change has to be gradual...") when the reality is that the masses won't become vegan (regardless of accessibility) and the best outcome, and what the goal should arguably be, is a reduction of animal consumption rather than outright planet veganism.

Yeah that probably is the best outcome realistically. But there are many things that were socially acceptable in the past that aren't now, and perceptions do change in over time so you never really know to what extent things might change.

For me and anyone else who made the switch it certainly isn't a reason not to try.

 

[Junglist]

They should show the cows coming out of the sheds after winter and running around and then show some clips of cows lying on peoples laps. Then show the carcass and then the meat cooked.

Show the meat cooked.... well done

That'll really get the meat eaters backs up.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Im only a vegetarian but also dont mass produced dairy or eggs. Im okay with using stuff made by animals, honey cotton and stuff just not anything that comes from a dead animal.

Show the meat cooked.... well done

That'll really get the meat eaters backs up.

Some people are beyond help.

 

[robfosters]

Im only a vegetarian but also dont mass produced dairy or eggs. Im okay with using stuff made by animals, honey cotton and stuff just not anything that comes from a dead animal.



Some people are beyond help.

What do you mean by beyond help?

 

[Crizzy]

We're essentially two wings of the same chicken bird.

The birds I slaughtered were home raised hens living their best life in Jamiaca. As i said earlier. Where possible I try and make ethical choices with my meat. With chicken that means free range (fortunately I favour thigh rather than buying an entire chicken) both for the meat and the eggs. We have a butcher 5 minutes away that is cheaper than the supermarket for red meat so we go to him for beef and bones for treats for our dog.

I'm at ease knowing the meat I eat came from a living mammal/bird/fish. What I'm not at ease with is the amount of waste we produce. Killing to consume and use is fine. Killing for sport is pure scumbag moves.

Right, I am not trying to change your mind or anything but even free range slaughter doesn't always go as planned and can lead to an animal having a pretty awful experience.

That's enough for me to not want to be part of it.

 

[Tony Edwards]

What do you mean by beyond help?

BEYOND HELP.

I cant make it any clearer. Junglist made a joke about presenting meat well done/over cooked as a way to annoy meat eaters.

 

[Crizzy]

Show the meat cooked.... well done

That'll really get the meat eaters backs up.

I see you are a Bristol man, maybe we could go and discuss it over a pint?

Or just have the pint and ignore the social awkwardness!

 

[robfosters]

BEYOND HELP.

I cant make it any clearer. Junglist made a joke about presenting meat well done/over cooked as a way to annoy meat eaters.

So what? It’s called dark humour

 

[Tony Edwards]

So what? It’s called dark humour

Youve lost me. You obviously read too much into my post.

Some of my best friends are meat eaters.

 

[413x]

But this isn't really a thing though, and if you eat out then pretty much most of what you'd eat would be factory farmed unless otherwise specified.

If you have your own chickens or know exactly the farm where they come from genuinely takes care of their animals that's great, but it doesn't always mean an easy death and this option is not exactly sustainable and easily available to a majority of people.



Yeah that probably is the best outcome realistically. But there are many things that were socially acceptable in the past that aren't now, and perceptions do change in over time so you never really know to what extent things might change.

For me and anyone else who made the switch it certainly isn't a reason not to try.

Very niche. So niche it would fall in to the fractions of fractions of a percent.
Grew up on a farm, so seen the factory side and the truly free range side.

Chickens were loose. And pigs were intensive farmed.
Back then I ate everything, but if we had chicken it would be a Cockerell that had a free life that ended on the plate.

I would still eat that now. But this would be impossible on to achieve with how many people eat the quantity of meat they do.

 

[Crizzy]

Very niche. So niche it would fall in to the fractions of fractions of a percent.
Grew up on a farm, so seen the factory side and the truly free range side.

Chickens were loose. And pigs were intensive farmed.
Back then I ate everything, but if we had chicken it would be a Cockerell that had a free life that ended on the plate.

I would still eat that now. But this would be impossible on to achieve with how many people eat the quantity of meat they do.

Fair enough it's niche, but it's enough to put me off and I'd also not sit comfortably taking the life of an animal if I had good alternative available.

But as you say with the quantity of animals required to meet demand it's not a practical solution to raise and slaughter animals in this way anyway.

 

[Junglist]

I see you are a Bristol man, maybe we could go and discuss it over a pint?

Or just have the pint and ignore the social awkwardness!

I do indeed! The lovely posh fishponds! Though I’m not sure how much of a drinking partner I’d make as I don’t really drink haha

 

[moon man]

i remember when i gave up meat and started at first just eating fish, then i had this weird dream that the cod was jumping around on my plate (no i wasn't smoking anything) put me right off tbh, then i fooled myself the dairy industry was better and that didn't take much research to see the truth.
I reckon if i had a cow i would try its milk, i just wouldn't murder its baby's and eat it when it stopped giving milk ,same with eggs from a truly free range chicken if they would otherwise go to waste, i guess i wouldn't be vegan but we all set our own rules

 

[Crizzy]

I do indeed! The lovely posh fishponds! Though I’m not sure how much of a drinking partner I’d make as I don’t really drink haha

Probably for the best as I'm on a bit of a health drive trying to lose some excess middle aged man belly.

But if you find yourself round the centre during the week we could always grab of coffee

 

[jigger]

We're essentially two wings of the same chicken bird.

The birds I slaughtered were home raised hens living their best life in Jamiaca. As i said earlier. Where possible I try and make ethical choices with my meat. With chicken that means free range (fortunately I favour thigh rather than buying an entire chicken) both for the meat and the eggs. We have a butcher 5 minutes away that is cheaper than the supermarket for red meat so we go to him for beef and bones for treats for our dog.

I'm at ease knowing the meat I eat came from a living mammal/bird/fish. What I'm not at ease with is the amount of waste we produce. Killing to consume and use is fine. Killing for sport is pure scumbag moves.

I’m a chicken hawk looking for a chicken.