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[lovelyhead]

Don't talk nonsense, my daughter spends way less time doing her vegan food than my wife does with our meat eating food
I've heard it all now, I can't wait tell my daughter that one

Well we will have to agree to disagree. If you are a meat eater you can just pick up anything you like from the shelves in a shop without even looking at the ingredients. If you are a vegetarian or vegan it takes a little more effort to make sure there are no meat products in the food. Surely you can agree with that. Actually preparing the food to eat takes no extra time.

That small amount of extra effort can be a step to far for many people who will use any little excuse to not consider a meat free diet.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Well we will have to agree to disagree. If you are a meat eater you can just pick up anything you like from the shelves in a shop without even looking at the ingredients. If you are a vegetarian or vegan it takes a little more effort to make sure there are no meat products in the food. Surely you can agree with that. Actually preparing the food to eat takes no extra time.

That small amount of extra effort can be a step to far for many people who will use any little excuse to not consider a meat free diet.

Daughter goes in the kitchen, a big pan or wok, cuts several things up and warms them up meanwhile Mrs Sexy is cooking meat all day and preparing veg.
Or my daughter buys the ready made Vegan packs in the supermarket and warms them up again while my wife slaves in the kitchen for ages.
Daughter keeps joking it would take less time if we were Vegan.
You're spouting complete crap

 

[Richie]

around 75 to 80 percent of the soy that is produced is used as farmed animal feed and only 6 percent is actually used for human consumption. Therefore, if you are upset about animals being killed in soy farming, then stop funding the industries that use three-quarters of all the soy that is grown.
shamelessly copy and pasted but just one example

I'll do the same and shamelessly copy and paste example:

By some estimates, as many as 20,000 acres of forest — the area of more than 15,000 American football fields — are cut down each year and replaced with avocado plantations.

That's a lot of animal deaths...

I've seen the way some animals are slaughtered and it is horrific. I am not just talking about some third world country, but the UK. Hammers and piglets.

If you know this fact and choose to continue eating meat that you haven't slaughtered yourself, then you are either OK with the way in which the animals are treated or you are in denial. I used to eat meat until I educated myself on the behaviour of people working in abattoirs when the officials weren't looking. Not eaten meat since.

It isn't hard to be a vegetarian these days. Loads of good food that is meat free. Most people are too lazy to give meat up though.

So meat eaters are either psychopaths, in denial or just lazy?

That small amount of extra effort can be a step to far for many people who will use any little excuse to not consider a meat free diet.

Do you not think that they may just like eating a good steak because it tastes good? Or is that "just an excuse"?

 

[robfosters]

The amount of vegan stuff I see in Sainsbury’s now is mental. It’s no extra effort to be a vegan.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

The amount of vegan stuff I see in Sainsbury’s now is mental. It’s no extra effort to be a vegan.

Tell lovely head that, he thinks it's way harder

 

[lovelyhead]

I think most people just want to eat a healthy and varied diet made up of foods we find palatable. As nature intended us too.

Absolutely. Everyone makes their own ethical choices regarding the food they eat. I love the taste of meat but I can't allow myself to eat it anymore knowing the abhorrent way in which some of it is produced. If you are happy to accept that the meat you eat may have come from an animal that was basically tortured to death as some unfortunately are, then I think that is an immoral choice.

Now, if you knew for a fact the meat you are eating was slaughtered in the most humane way possible and the animal was raised in a humane manner, I think in that case eating that meat would be morally ok. But the reality is the vast vast majority of people eat meat that they can't possibly know 100% for sure has come from an animal that lived and died well.

If for instance, I saw a Deer being shot with a silenced rifle, which killed it in one shot so quickly that it didn't know what hit it, I would probably be OK eating it.

 

[jigger]

Well we will have to agree to disagree. If you are a meat eater you can just pick up anything you like from the shelves in a shop without even looking at the ingredients. If you are a vegetarian or vegan it takes a little more effort to make sure there are no meat products in the food. Surely you can agree with that. Actually preparing the food to eat takes no extra time.

That small amount of extra effort can be a step to far for many people who will use any little excuse to not consider a meat free diet.

Maybe the case for some but definitely not all. If I’m buying something I’ve never bought before I 99% of the time reading the label regardless if that’s vegetable, animal or mineral.

As for meat being quicker to prepare and cook I’d have to disagree.

 

[lovelyhead]

Tell lovely head that, he thinks it's way harder

Now you are just making stuff up. I said it takes a bit more effort to be vegetarian. I would definitely agree that it is easier now than ever though to be vegetarian or vegan. More people should try it.

 

[lovelyhead]

As for meat being quicker to prepare and cook I’d have to disagree.

I don't think we are disagreeing on that point.

 

[lovelyhead]

Daughter goes in the kitchen, a big pan or wok, cuts several things up and warms them up meanwhile Mrs Sexy is cooking meat all day and preparing veg.
Or my daughter buys the ready made Vegan packs in the supermarket and warms them up again while my wife slaves in the kitchen for ages.
Daughter keeps joking it would take less time if we were Vegan.
You're spouting complete crap

Why so angry?

I am not saying cooking vegetarian meals takes longer. Don't think I have ever said that. I am saying it takes a bit more effort when buying food to make sure it doesn't contain meat. It doesn't take much more effort but many people will use any excuse as a justification against even trying to become vegetarian.

 

[jigger]

Absolutely. Everyone makes their own ethical choices regarding the food they eat. I love the taste of meat but I can't allow myself to eat it anymore knowing the abhorrent way in which some of it is produced. If you are happy to accept that the meat you eat may have come from an animal that was basically tortured to death as some unfortunately are, then I think that is an immoral choice.

Now, if you knew for a fact the meat you are eating was slaughtered in the most humane way possible and the animal was raised in a humane manner, I think in that case eating that meat would be morally ok. But the reality is the vast vast majority of people eat meat that they can't possibly know 100% for sure has come from an animal that lived and died well.

If for instance, I saw a Deer being shot with a silenced rifle, which killed it in one shot so quickly that it didn't know what hit it, I would probably be OK eating it.

And that’s a perfectly reasonable thing to think. The issue with hunting is you need to know what you are doing. Wild game carries risks, farmed animals much less so.

 

[lovelyhead]

And that’s a perfectly reasonable thing to think. The issue with hunting is you need to know what you are doing. Wild game carries risks.

Indeed. A lot of Vegans and Vegetarians are totally against hunting for wild animals. I am not one of them. So long as you have the skill to cleanly kill the animal then that is morally OK in my book.

Eating meat from farmed animals that are slaughtered in industrial abattoirs that you can't possibly know have been treated well by humans is not morally right in my opinion.

 

[jigger]

Indeed. A lot of Vegans and Vegetarians are totally against hunting for wild animals. I am not one of them. So long as you have the skill to cleanly kill the animal then that is morally OK in my book.

Eating meat from farmed animals that are slaughtered in industrial abattoirs that you can't possibly know have been treated well by humans is not morally right in my opinion.

In many cases culling is required to keep populations under control and healthy. I agree, any form of hunting should always be done responsibly and as humanly as possible.

 

[Crizzy]

That's a lot of animal deaths...

Livestock require massive quantities of plant-based feed to produce a relatively small amount of meat. This results in the cultivation of many more crops to feed animals, leading to a greater overall land requirement compared to directly growing crops for human consumption.

Therefore, if your concern is minimizing animal deaths, opting for a plant-based diet would be the better choice.

 

[jigger]

Livestock require massive quantities of plant-based feed to produce a relatively small amount of meat. This results in the cultivation of many more crops to feed animals, leading to a greater overall land requirement compared to directly growing crops for human consumption.

Therefore, if your concern is minimizing animal deaths, opting for a plant-based diet would be the better choice.

I know beef farming is pretty energy intensive, fish is better than plant though.

 

[Johno please?]

I don’t get it tbh. I had pet rabbits that i loved when I was younger. I still eat rabbit. I’m not eating my rabbits am I.

I’ve kept fish, I still eat fish.

Yea you dont get it, because you still see animals as food.

Regarding the pest control thing, humans are the worst pests of all, we create disease and famine by our own actions.

That being said if an animal is harming you, then obviously if you need to kill an animal in self defense thats a bit different.

 

[jigger]

Yea you dont get it, because you still see animals as food.

Animals are food.

 

[lovelyhead]

So meat eaters are either psychopaths, in denial or just lazy?




Do you not think that they may just like eating a good steak because it tastes good? Or is that "just an excuse"?

It depends if you are fully aware of how some animals are raised and slaughtered in the UK. If you are under the impression that all of the meat in UK supermarkets has come from animals who are raised in comfortable conditions and then slaughtered instantly with zero pain and suffering, I would say you were simply ignorant and you aren't making immoral choices.

However, if you are aware that some animals are treated badly and you continue to eat meat that comes from them, then yes you are making bad moral choices.

I was such a person for many years. I knew about the way in which some animals were treated and managed to justify my continued eating of meat in a number of ways. I was a hypocrite though. It was when I saw a report of a farmer I think it was bludgeoning piglets to death with a hammer that made me say enough was enough and I can no longer enable such cruelty by consuming farmed meat.

 

[Crizzy]

I know beef farming is pretty energy intensive, fish is better than plant though.

Yeah but our oceans could be empty in 25 years if current demand follows predictions, it's just not sustainable and certainly couldn't be used as a replacement for plant based foods? Unless I missed your point?

 

[jigger]

It depends if you are fully aware of how some animals are raised and slaughtered in the UK. If you are under the impression that all of the meat in UK supermarkets has come from animals who are raised in comfortable conditions and then slaughtered instantly with zero pain and suffering, I would say you were simply ignorant and you aren't making immoral choices.

However, if you are aware that some animals are treated badly and you continue to eat meat that comes from them, then yes you are making bad moral choices.

I was such a person for many years. I knew about the way in which some animals were treated and managed to justify my continued eating of meat in a number of ways. I was a hypocrite though. It was when I saw a report of a farmer I think it was bludgeoning piglets to death with a hammer that made me say enough was enough and I can no longer enable such cruelty by consuming farmed meat.

Beating animals to death would be illegal.