Distasteful vegan TV ad
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Some fancy chef couldn't tell the difference, because its meat, as in the same product.
Cultivated Meat Passes the Taste Test
In a blind tasting, meat grown from stem cells tasted just like chicken, but without the fat that makes chicken taste good.time.com
From steam cells. Think about it. Think for a moment. The problem isn't the taste
There's a big difference between being killed and never existing in the first place.
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Cows can still provide milk though for 5-7 years. Just like Chickens can provide eggs. A Pig basically offers nothing apart from its meat.
Put some in a park so they can rewild, eat the rest.
Just a note that you would be wise not to apply sweeping generalisms like this.
In principle, yes - the same things happen in any pig factory farm:
- Live pigs come in > Pigs are raised > Pigs are killed > Dead pigs leave
The same things happen in McDonalds as they do in The Fat Duck, but to consider them the same would be naïve at best.
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Would you apply that same logic to dogs bred for fighting? (if we did not keep dogs for pets ofc)
I dont think existing for 6 months inside only to be put into a gas chamber then stabbed in the neck is a nice existence no?
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I never said all pig farming was the same, I said all pig factory farms will be the same.
Mutliations without pain relief, to try to stop them from eating each other because of the terrible conditions, kept inside, then off to a slaughterhouse at 6 months old.
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At the moment you need fetal bovine serum from cows for cultured beef or their plasma, the latter means a blood draw. So cows will still be needed in other words.
But if youre supporting a literal infinite cycle of industrial slaughter of animals, why would you be concerned with their existence?
The selectively bred monstrosities that exist in today's farming environments are hardly natural animals that need preserving anyway.
I know, I even referenced specifically "pig factory farms" when I quoted you.
Based on your years of experience in the pig factory farm industry.
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This really relates to the hard core meat eaters on here:
Against stupidity we have no defense. Neither protests nor force can touch it. Reasoning is of no use. Facts that contradict personal prejudices can simply be disbelieved — indeed, the fool can counter by criticizing them, and if they are undeniable, they can just be pushed aside as trivial exceptions. So the fool, as distinct from the scoundrel, is completely self-satisfied. In fact, they can easily become dangerous, as it does not take much to make them aggressive. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Against stupidity we have no defense. Neither protests nor force can touch it. Reasoning is of no use. Facts that contradict personal prejudices can simply be disbelieved — indeed, the fool can counter by criticizing them, and if they are undeniable, they can just be pushed aside as trivial exceptions. So the fool, as distinct from the scoundrel, is completely self-satisfied. In fact, they can easily become dangerous, as it does not take much to make them aggressive. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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I drive past plenty of pig farms in Suffolk. Massive fields full of them. They are not stuck inside and wouldn't exist at all if they were not bred for eating.
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So you basically think I’m stupid because I follow my own beliefs and reject propaganda that’s stuffed in my face
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Yes, they'd much rather believe the 7th day Adventist propaganda they keep posting than try to educate themselves on what a proper human diet is
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most whales eat plankton( small fish/plant based ) killer whales eat everything biggest whale to eat meat is the sperm whale
UK Animal Farming Free Documentary | Land of Hope and Glory
The hidden truth behind UK animal farming. Available to watch now for free.
I had a look and will make some observations on both the video and the content on this site...
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I had written a lot more but it got lost and I aint typing it all again on a mobile phone
Essentially, however, I will say this - Their statements have some correct facts however are written in a way that is a little disingenuous and/or unbalanced and fail to look at the other side of the argument. For example:They mention that pigs undergo tooth clipping and tail docking in pigs, but fail to state why they do this. Its poor journalism to state something is done and then not go on to explain the reasons why (tails for hygiene reasons and teeth to prevent injury via pigs biting each other).
Another example is where they they state that cows are kept indoors "for at least part of the year" and written in a manner as if this is animal abuse. They fail to mention that this happens in the UK in WINTER. Being housed in the winter and having free access to food as well as raised cubicles with straw to lay in is far better than standing outside freezing and wet.
Most importantly - A lot of the reference links are either not working or are circa 8-10+ years old (1 is even 20 years old). The main site is "copyright 2020", they could at least keep them upto date especially when they explicitly state "Through Land of Hope and Glory we aim to show the truth behind UK land animal farming by featuring the most up to date investigations". So the doesn't help their argument... Unless their most upto dat investigations are really this old... This doesnt help their cause.
Given that legislation and practices may have changed in the intervening period, they could now be contrary to their claims. Also, due to this, people are unable to view the sources of some of their claims and so they cannot be either properly peer reviewed nor challenged as wrong/accepted as correct
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Not sure what you are looking for here - Its video snapshots of people not following correct protocols and ranging from 5-12 years old pulled together to try and shock the viewer. Its certainly not there to "educate" the viewer however you want to argue it.
Are there unscrupulous farming/slaughter operations out there? Of course there is and I have never denied it. The difference is I can accept there are bad operations however you refuse to accept that ANY animal farming operation can be a good one as your opinion is they are ALL exploiting animals.
Can you be 100% sure that items like your clothing, components of your mobile phone etc haven't been made by some kid in China being exploited?
NOW - the bit you've been waiting on, nay, salivating over... Having read the site and the video you have posted, will I change my view? Nope... I am still fine with eating meat and will continue to do so. My opinion has not changed but thanks for playing
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Whatever you think about vegans there is plenty of evidence available that if done correctly a person can be healthy on a plant based diet.
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lets take the russian vegan that just died of starvation .. the human body needs b12 b12 comes from mostly meat. we are not designed to eat cereal in large quantities .. we are and shall ever be hunter gatherers .. with the invention of processed foods and high cereal foods came all the sicknesses we have today .
i don't eat pork (well just bacon somtimes) beef lamb and chicken with salad sometimes root veg .. would i kill it myself yes have i yes ..
i don't eat pork (well just bacon somtimes) beef lamb and chicken with salad sometimes root veg .. would i kill it myself yes have i yes ..
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