Do Paedos Really Get Beat Up In Jail?
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Might be opening a whole nasty tin of worms here but here goes.
Isn't paedophilia considered a mental problem and/or addiction? The fact that they often reoffend even after being released from prison would certainly suggest it, in which case shouldnt offenders be treated rather than just punished?
I am in no way condoning his actions and feel imprisonment is justified but it opens up yet another debate of people with drug addictions who are jailed and stigmatised for something, which in their mind, is out of their control.
As far as I know, there are no "rehabs" for such a crime which continues down this countries line of punishment over trying to actually fix the problem, which they never will with the current approach because of the sheer tabboo over the subject.
Because lets face it, if you felt these dark feelings, would you go public with them to try and get help after looking at the above comments? Hell no, you'd probably get lynched by the doctor first!
Man of Honour
I fully agree with you but i don't think public opinions on paedophiles are going to change enough to get governments to start using taxpayers money for treating them.
Man of Honour
I bet people turn a blind eye and they occasionally have a minor accident.
Soldato
I've always thought this, it doesn't help that getting labelled 'paedophile' makes you sound like you've been doing something you shouldn't have when all it really means is someone who is sexually attracted to children. Paedophiles don't choose to be attracted to children, they can no more help this than I can being 'straight'. If there wasn't such a stigma attached to the word then people who need help with their urges wouldn't be so afraid to come out and seek help. This would lower the amount of incidents but it goes against the stupid outraged mob mentality people seem to have.
Sounds more like you have a gay sex fantasy.... just saying
Man of Honour
I was reading loss about this aa whine ago. Did you know the majority of child sex offenders have been victims of child sexual abuse during their lives?
I used to know some guys who were in and out of prison all the time for theft etc
They would beat you up if they found out you were sent down for child molestation etc.
no one likes people who target the vulnerable and that includes the elderly
seems a bit odd then that the weak quiet prisoners serving time for silly little offences often get bullied even though I would also consider them vulnerable.
Maybe them being a paedo is just a good excuse to beat someone up to make you feel better
They would beat you up if they found out you were sent down for child molestation etc.
no one likes people who target the vulnerable and that includes the elderly
seems a bit odd then that the weak quiet prisoners serving time for silly little offences often get bullied even though I would also consider them vulnerable.
Maybe them being a paedo is just a good excuse to beat someone up to make you feel better
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does he even mix with regular prisoners? he's probably in a special paedo wing for mps where they all tell stories about children whilst watching reruns of blue peter
When they arrive from court to the Prison they get an interview from a Reception Officer, at this point the officer will ask what they are being sent to prison for, this generally gets asked so they can see if the person understands why they are here. They will then ask if the offence is Sexual Assault/Rape/Anything noncie if the want to take "the rule".
Prison Rule 45, Segregation from general population. This is offered or can be asked for. each request for Rule 45 OP (own protection) is considered and either accepted or denied based on the evidence given.
Prisons will have a VP (Vulnerable Prisoner) wing which sex offenders or nonces will get placed into should they accept Rule 45. They will be escorted everywhere on mass, separately from the general population by officers, they have separate exercise yards, separate visits and separate times for the library, gym and healthcare to keep their contact with the general population to a minimum.
Prisoners can deny the rule and live in general population. They are advised to cover up the nature of their crimes as staff will not be able to watch them or protect them at all times of the day. If they get "outed" they can be beaten rather severely before staff can respond.
All this "they will get bummed in prison" etc is pure Hollywood TV drama. Yes it does happen in Prison but not very often, think when I served, in 4 years we have maybe 3 reported sexual assaults in my prison. Some may not get reported however.
Some poeple mistake the VP wing as a "bacon wing" thinking that everyone there is a sex offender, some however just cannot cope in general population. Either poor copers, older prisoners who have had enough of the 19-25 year old hooligans types.
The VP wings are generally quiter as people know that they are there for protection and that life could be much worse, they tend to self police issues well, start up support groups and have lots of interaction with healthcare workers and councillors etc
I never agreed with the level of support they got and hated being anywhere near them. I found most of them devious and cunning. Officers in my prison would be asked if the wanted to work on the VP wing. Some said yes due to the quieter life, most said no as they didn't want to deal that type of person - I flat out said no 3 times that I was asked.
I was prepared to refuse a direct order should I be put in that position.
Prison Rule 45, Segregation from general population. This is offered or can be asked for. each request for Rule 45 OP (own protection) is considered and either accepted or denied based on the evidence given.
Prisons will have a VP (Vulnerable Prisoner) wing which sex offenders or nonces will get placed into should they accept Rule 45. They will be escorted everywhere on mass, separately from the general population by officers, they have separate exercise yards, separate visits and separate times for the library, gym and healthcare to keep their contact with the general population to a minimum.
Prisoners can deny the rule and live in general population. They are advised to cover up the nature of their crimes as staff will not be able to watch them or protect them at all times of the day. If they get "outed" they can be beaten rather severely before staff can respond.
All this "they will get bummed in prison" etc is pure Hollywood TV drama. Yes it does happen in Prison but not very often, think when I served, in 4 years we have maybe 3 reported sexual assaults in my prison. Some may not get reported however.
Some poeple mistake the VP wing as a "bacon wing" thinking that everyone there is a sex offender, some however just cannot cope in general population. Either poor copers, older prisoners who have had enough of the 19-25 year old hooligans types.
The VP wings are generally quiter as people know that they are there for protection and that life could be much worse, they tend to self police issues well, start up support groups and have lots of interaction with healthcare workers and councillors etc
I never agreed with the level of support they got and hated being anywhere near them. I found most of them devious and cunning. Officers in my prison would be asked if the wanted to work on the VP wing. Some said yes due to the quieter life, most said no as they didn't want to deal that type of person - I flat out said no 3 times that I was asked.
I was prepared to refuse a direct order should I be put in that position.
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He's been convicted and sentenced to 17 years, so it's in the local paper.
Informative, thanks
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I suspect this is more a US thing, i never got the impression that UK prisons where like that
I honestly thought when I joined the job it was like that, it's not. Not even close tbh which is good. The US Prison System is something I wouldn't want for my worst enemy.
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The US prison system is variable. Its not all like an episode of Oz.
I don't know what Oz is but from the US Corrections Officers that came over to the UK on a 3 weeks trade scheme, it does sound just like it is. To me anyway.
Well over 300,000 reported rapes mano e mano per year, a few thousand of which happen within the first hour in just the holding cells where a person picked up on a warrent might only be in for hours
Soldato
Had an interesting conversation with a good friend of mine who works in *a prison* - he works on the VP wing , and asled me 1 thing.
since I was younger - has my taste in women changed much? thinking about it - no , not really.
he said , the same is for those who like younger children - after therapy , he sees them back again or on a list somewhere - at it again.
in 20 years he has never seen 1 truly change.
since I was younger - has my taste in women changed much? thinking about it - no , not really.
he said , the same is for those who like younger children - after therapy , he sees them back again or on a list somewhere - at it again.
in 20 years he has never seen 1 truly change.
I read an interesting article about it actually being a sexual orientation. It's why it's "incurable", in the same way homosexuality or hetrosexuality is not something you can "cure". I think the study behind it showed something like 1 in 10 men are paedophiles, just most don't act on their urges and/or there are different shades of it (in the same way that people can be a range from hetro-bi-homo).
That brings up a similar question to yours though, because you are essentially jailing someone for a genetic disposition (albeit a crime related to it). That same question can arise with murderers though, apparently many murderers have a genetic disposition (psychopath), which is fairly prevelant in society, but in some people it is switched on by the way they were nurtured.