Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?


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Actually "all" Utd have to do is equal Liverpool's / Everton / Spurs results every week apart from (potentially) win upto three games when they lose.

Right.
And you think that is doable?
As I stated, if Mourinho or Fergie took over, I think it would be a difficult task.
With Moyes in charge, we have no realistic chance of outscoring the teams immediately above us. Mathematical chance only.

I can't believe how unrealistic people's expectations are.

We havent turned a corner.
Our last game was against a relegation threatened side, which we lost.
A few games before that we played Sunderland (another relegation threatened side, which we also lost).
That is what our current (form) standard is.

I can't see how we are going to outscore other teams who have been in better form than us, all season.
 
Completely rubbish.

THe 1st place team is 8 points ahead of 4th
The 4th place team is 7 points ahead of Man U

So yes, he is right, you have to get points on the board at a rate equal to or greater than Arsenal/Man City. If Man U are in a race for 4th place, then we are in the Title Race :p
 
THe 1st place team is 8 points ahead of 4th
The 4th place team is 7 points ahead of Man U

So yes, he is right, you have to get points on the board at a rate equal to or greater than Arsenal/Man City. If Man U are in a race for 4th place, then we are in the Title Race :p

They're practically 8 pts from 4th place if you include goal difference, something which I don't think they can overtake you on at their rate of scoring :D
 
THe 1st place team is 8 points ahead of 4th
The 4th place team is 7 points ahead of Man U

So yes, he is right, you have to get points on the board at a rate equal to or greater than Arsenal/Man City. If Man U are in a race for 4th place, then we are in the Title Race :p

They are totally seperate conditions(and rely on seperate combinations of games to make the "6 - pointer" differences)

City have also already played both Chelsea games - which is irrelevant to finishing 4th for Utd (as both are so far in front) but last weekend was when Liverpool could have made the points up on one of those teams, City in the end.

Man CIty and Chelsea are more likely to get three points every week compared to every other team - they could still end up 15-20 points clear of everyone else (especially considering Arsenal's current midfield issues)

What they do is irrelevant to what Man Utd has to do to get 4th.

Maybe LS / SAS / SASAS will push you into a race for 3rd, but for that imo you have to win this weekend against Arsenal


It could be argued that what happens to Arsenal is relevant to Utd, but even that is remote at the moment (personally I want Arsenal to win every match apart from Wednesday lol) , its certainly irrelevant regarding City and Chelsea (if Utd can get a point off City fantastic, but atm thats extremely remote)
 
Shame Vidic is leaving but he's not the player he once was. I don't think it's down to Moyes at all.

Jones and Evans would make a decent enough (but not amazing) partnership, but my issue with Jones is that he's very reckless and gets himself injured a lot. He can't be relied upon unless he sorts this out. Smalling is too much of a headless chicken for my liking as a defender, I can't see him being the answer, though he's had the odd decent game at CB.

So players leaving/likely to be leaving are:

Vidic (obviously)
Evra
Rio
Giggs
Nani
Anderson
Maybe Kagawa but he does seem keen to stay

Most of them aren't a great loss, but we need world class (or close to) replacements, and then have the likes of Cleverley/Young as squad players, we can't get rid of everyone at once.

We're in for one hell of a summer, I hope Moyes has a lot of targets in mind, not just go for Vidal, Dante and then buy nobody. :o

The summer will make or break him, clubs aren't going to be keen to sell to us either so we're going to be paying premium prices, and without Champions League football, premium contracts for the players in question.

It's exciting but also worrying. :p
 
clubs are rarely keen to sell to anyone else let alone Utd, so thats not much difference from normal.

Yes there is of course a chance of "premium" contracts without CL, but there are enough players available where EPL football week in week out is a good improvement to start with so hopefully "premium" for some players may not be premium in EPL terms
 
All of their contracts are up in the summer.

Evans/Jones/Rafael... not a left back amongst them :p

lol, i know but it doesnt really matter, 3 experienced defenders and 3 younger ones..

Wonder who Moyes will go for at LB...
 
I said to my lad this morning before he went to School, there will be some arm chair expert on the OcUK forums willing to blame Moyes for Vidic deciding to to go. It will be full of the usual rhetoric of he's lost the dressing room, players don't want to play for him. OcUK I take my hat off you never ever fail to deliver.

Do you think Vidic would still be wanting to leave if Ferguson or another experienced manager was there and United were still competing for trophies? I suspect he'd be begging for a new contract.

It might be alright for fans to wait 2-3 years whilst Moyes (maybe) finds his feet but players have short careers and want to win as many trophies as possible in that time. The way United are looking under Moyes Vidic will be retired before they win another major trophy, you can't blame him for wanting to go somewhere where he has more chance of winning silverware.
 
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Do you think Vidic would still be wanting to leave if Ferguson or another experienced manager was there and United were still competing for trophies? I suspect he'd be begging for a new contract.

It might be alright for fans to wait 2-3 years whilst Moyes (maybe) finds his feet but players have short careers and want to win as many trophies as possible in that time. The way United are looking under Moyes Vidic will be retired before they win another major trophy, you can't blame him for wanting to go somewhere where he has more chance of winning silverware.

Just because the player is begging for a new contract doesnt have any remote effect on whether the club / board should offer him one (look at Cole at Chelsea for another example)

Vidic has been a wonderful player for Utd, was an absolute bargain, and a brilliant Captain, but its time he and the club said goodbye to each other. He just isnt the same player any more and the EPL is getting too fast for him and Utd need a consistant back four , which isnt possible with the likes of Rio and Vidic only capable of playing other or two out of every three games.
 
Bit disappointed as I was hoping he'd stay and help Jones/Smalling/Evans develop into the player he was in his prime but at the same time, maybe moving him on is for the best.

I think the change in manager probably got taken into account when he made the decision, but to suggest he's going because of Moyes is wrong imo.
 
Do you think Vidic would still be wanting to leave if Ferguson or another experienced manager was there and United were still competing for trophies? I suspect he'd be begging for a new contract.

It might be alright for fans to wait 2-3 years whilst Moyes (maybe) finds his feet but players have short careers and want to win as many trophies as possible in that time. The way United are looking under Moyes Vidic will be retired before they win another major trophy, you can't blame him for wanting to go somewhere where he has more chance of winning silverware.

Does Vidic even have the quality/fitness to play on a team that is competing for trophies in one of the better leagues?

I'd say ManU are better off without him than him without them.
 
I appreciate club threads aren't allowed, but I thought it might be a good idea to have one place for all the David Moyes related criticism and discussion, rather than every weekend football thread being derailed (if Man Utd play early in the weekend). Try and keep it about the man himself, and not general club discussion.

On from that, I am obviously very concerned. I do not expect to win anything at the moment, for me it's not about that. What I do expect is some sort of direction. What exactly is Moyes trying to do on the pitch?

5 defeats in 8 games in 2014 doesn't sound at all good, but it's more the manner of those defeats. We are getting played off the park by teams with vastly inferior players in almost every position. The team look as if they've had no coaching. They can't defend properly, especially set pieces. At times they look like they don't care as well.

Moyes and his staff have taken control of the league champions, spent £70m~ on players, and then managed to drop 7 places. Yes I know there have been injuries and the players are a year older, but that doesn't excuse it. People say it's "not his team", but he should be able to get the best out of the players he has, not moan because they can't play hoofball very well.

The fact he keeps saying "we played well" when we lose is just bizarre. I understand he wouldn't hang the team out to dry, but he seems to believe it - that this style of "football" would be doing wonders if only he had a bit more luck. The players are doing it now as well, the players who, despite not being great, have been ruthless and shown they can easily beat weaker teams if they really want to.

His position is apparently fairly secure purely based on the blind faith of Sir Alex, who thinks Moyes can emulate him. What are the chances of that? Pretty damn low. Managers who stay at a club for 15+ years are extremely rare, it's never really been common, and is even less so now.

The odds that with Moyes we get another Alex Ferguson are monumentally low, I've seen someone say it's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row with the same numbers. Moyes has to demonstrate he's got some sort of clue as to what he's doing and the direction he wants to take the club in. I don't care if we lose, as long as some sort of effort is being made.

Stability = success is the party line that keeps being rolled out. Is it true? Not really. The two most successful clubs in Europe at the moment - Barca and Bayern - have both had a combined total of 12 managers in the last decade.

I don't dislike Moyes, and I'd love nothing more than him to suddenly come good, but it's a risk and reward situation, and I'm not sure it's worth risking any more than we already have. :(

Like i said ages ago, United should have got guadiola or Morinho
 
I guess you didnt even bother reading that I posted:

"Now Im not suggesting thats gaurenteed, or even likely..." - well edited though, classy!!!

In which case, what I wrote is not "rubbish", as you originally stated.
In fact, from the quoted post, you are now agreeing with me.
 
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