Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?


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I believe United need a reliable world class manager.

Pretty much everyone does apart from the Ferguson loyalists who share his delusion that Moyes will turn into the second coming. Ferguson made the speech that all fans should get behind Moyes so it's considered heresy to turn on him. :p
 
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He could have also gone back to Spain with one of the top clubs in the league this season ( Im sure I read AM were after him as well)

Unlikely, with the transfer fee and we do not know whether anyone was in the market...I;'m sure Chelsea would have sold him to a non-Prem team otherwise.

There are world class players in leading clubs in worse leagues, or certainly less competitve leagues

Indeed, however the question is whether Moyes can attract them to Old Trafford when other clubs of similar stature or means are also in the running. That is yet to be ascertained.

If/ When Rooney re-signs, Mata on a new contract, and De Gea signing again thats three very highly thought of players.

Indeed, but that doesn't really answer the question though.

There are plenty of players out there who arent at big clubs yet who want a chance

And there are other big clubs out there that would also be interested in them.
 
Pretty much everyone does apart from the Ferguson loyalists who share his delusion that Moyes will turn into the second coming. Ferguson made the speech that all fans should get behind Moyes so it's considered heresy to turn on him. :p

Thats only a small part of it.

SAF was responsible for not investing in the squad heavily enough in the two -three years before he left (and no RvP for a relatively cheap £24m was never going ot be enough).

For quite a few seasons its been evident that the midfield and defence needed some proper additions but nothing was done about it and the summer was even more of a disaster than was expected (but not wholly Moyes' fault).

I dont think anyone expected him to be the 2nd coming - but with a decent squad , **** , even just a couple of younger world class players Utd could well be a force again.

Its a bit of (lacking in) belief, luck and some tactics which are affecting the team the most.
 
Unlikely, with the transfer fee and we do not know whether anyone was in the market...I;'m sure Chelsea would have sold him to a non-Prem team otherwise.

Neither of us will know for sure, but it was certainly reported others were interested. A big factor Chelsea sold to us was so that FFP was balanced out with their jan signings. If they had let Mata sign else where it would have been for much less , and therefore been worse off FFP wise.[/QUOTE]



Indeed, however the question is whether Moyes can attract them to Old Trafford when other clubs of similar stature or means are also in the running. That is yet to be ascertained.


He HAS attracted one, whether he can attract others is another matter but no reason why not. Utd are FAR too big a club to be down for long (and no, not even the mighty Liverpool are comparable, the financial might of Utd is huge compared to even when compared with their major run of success (even though its hard ot compare like for like, as everything has changed so much in the intervening time)

At the end of the day there are always going to be the likes of Aguero etc etc who dont go to the premium side(s) at the time, for multitudes of reasons.




And there are other big clubs out there that would also be interested in them.

Which have teams who are MUCH harder to get into and play every week as well - and there arent that many clubs worldwide who are larger or more successful over time than Utd.
 
All Moyes needed to do was leave things as they were and he would have a competitive team that he could gradually augment (perhaps even using his ability to find good cheap players).

Instead he sacked the backroom staff, changed all the training schedules and tried to show how he could do "big" signings by signing an overpriced Fellaini. He is reaping the rewards of his actions. His players are injured, they look disorganised and clueless and his signings havent really come off for him because he has no idea about what he is actually trying to do with the team.

He has to go; blaming a "weak" squad on Fergie is one thing but ignoring the hash that has been made of a squad that is only weak relative to City or Chelsea is something else entirely.
 
Thats only a small part of it.

SAF was responsible for not investing in the squad heavily enough in the two -three years before he left (and no RvP for a relatively cheap £24m was never going ot be enough).

For quite a few seasons its been evident that the midfield and defence needed some proper additions but nothing was done about it and the summer was even more of a disaster than was expected (but not wholly Moyes' fault).

I dont think anyone expected him to be the 2nd coming - but with a decent squad , **** , even just a couple of younger world class players Utd could well be a force again.

Its a bit of (lacking in) belief, luck and some tactics which are affecting the team the most.

Responsible for, or responsible for doing it? If he'd spent 30mil on a left back, that is 30mil less Moyes(or whoever else) would have had. Fergie did buy long term replacements for Vidic and Rio, Smalling and Jones were highly rated and wanted by many clubs. It's not Fergie's fault it turned out one is a sicknote and the other's gurning puts off his team mates. It was sensible to buy younger CB@s with a view to them being ready for the first team CB pairing as Rio/Vidic end up retiring/leaving, just unlucky neither have worked out. Evra is a more recently rubbish player(according to some/most) and probably while he realised he needed replacing it's not terrible to leave that choice up to the next manager.

Yes he could have spent this apparent 200mil warchest, but that would mean building a team of players to play in the style Fergie wanted, which may not suit the next managers style, or capability.

If you know you're leaving in a couple years it's prudent and actually sensible to save big purchases for the next manager to make his mark on the squad. Of course, what Fergie did was recommend an incompetent idiot for no apparent reason and so far he's been doing very bad business in the transfer market.

What Moyes could have done would be, buy a left back, and a proper winger, and a CB and that could have made a huge difference this season.

Evra for the first goal was doing everything you shouldn't do as a fullback, Vidic was out of place and had no need to rush out, both CM's were standing next to each other ball watching leaving a huge space behind them they were ignoring, but had Evra moved across into the gap like he should have done, particularly as he had a clear view of Sidwell making the run, he had every chance of stopping that goal being scored.

For the second goal, he didn't bother getting back. Had Evra done his job better today Utd may have won, and that could go for at least 2-3 other losses this year. So just replacing the left back could have made a huge difference, let alone CB's and CM's which the club is desperate for.

Mourinho came in and hasn't used Mata much then got rid, he wasn't suited to that team or the way it played. What if Fergie spent 200mil, and the players didn't suit Moyes, or Mourinho, or Ancelloti's style, and it's a lot of money wasted?
 
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Moyes is done, it's over. All that remains now is if he goes by himself. This thread should be who next. So many united fans have come out the woodwork to tell us how tactically blah blah he is. Yet in the last 'who should be united manager threads', they said nothing.

So many fans and the thread Robbo started barely made 2 pages.
 
Moyes is done, it's over. All that remains now is if he goes by himself. This thread should be who next. So many united fans have come out the woodwork to tell us how tactically blah blah he is. Yet in the last 'who should be united manager threads', they said nothing.

So many fans and the thread Robbo started barely made 2 pages.

And as has been explained to you many times, we can't possibly know who is available. People have named names, people have given reasons as to why we won't know what managers are available yet you keep bashing out the same line every week, why? Is it possibly because David has been shown up to be completely incompetent?
 
Anyone think that fans might start vocally saying that they want him out?

I wonder what the tipping point would be? Being mid-table next season again?
 
And as has been explained to you many times, we can't possibly know who is available. People have named names, people have given reasons as to why we won't know what managers are available yet you keep bashing out the same line every week, why? Is it possibly because David has been shown up to be completely incompetent?

No it's so people like you can carry on bashing absolutely everything every year and not give anyone the opportunity to say, well that's who you wanted. It's a joke every single year Fergie won the title I picked you up on your first month speech on how everything was a disaster and the title was over. How Fergie was tactically inept, now we hear he was worth 10 points per season. Not bad for a tactical nobbler is it.

You must have a list of people you would actually like to have the job, Mourinho aside as we know that cannot happen now.

Ok MOyes is done, we have established you are right, you must be so happy for once your constant whinging has born fruit. Now how about you grow a pair of balls and tell us the wonderful list of candidates you would like to manage the club you enjoy moaning about so much :p
 
He HAS attracted one, whether he can attract others is another matter but no reason why not.

Sit on the bench, lose world cup spot or go to the only team in for you, hmm, tough choice

Utd are FAR too big a club to be down for long (and no, not even the mighty Liverpool are comparable, the financial might of Utd is huge compared to even when compared with their major run of success (even though its hard ot compare like for like, as everything has changed so much in the intervening time)

No club is to big to be out the 'top 4' for seasons on end, you'll find that our very soon unless you get rid of Ol Davey
 
Anyone think that fans might start vocally saying that they want him out?

I wonder what the tipping point would be? Being mid-table next season again?

I think the tipping point is just about there now. Not beating Fulham at home after the rest of the results just isn't good enough. The team he has been left is a mess but it's still good enough to beat fulham at home.

I would have liked him to build his own side but it's clear only 1 or 3 want to play for him, therefore player power wins out again and he has to go and then hopefully the gutless 6 or 7 that just cannot do it anymore.

Sadly exactly as I said would happen has happened. Far too much pressure following Fergie from a manager who has had none for 6 or so years :( I'm gutted for him because he will never recover from this.

Whoever they get I hope is a strong character to throw some of these players out on their backsides.
 
I think the tipping point is just about there now. Not beating Fulham at home after the rest of the results just isn't good enough. The team he has been left is a mess but it's still good enough to beat fulham at home.

I would have liked him to build his own side but it's clear only 1 or 3 want to play for him, therefore player power wins out again and he has to go and then hopefully the gutless 6 or 7 that just cannot do it anymore.

Sadly exactly as I said would happen has happened. Far too much pressure following Fergie from a manager who has had none for 6 or so years :( I'm gutted for him because he will never recover from this.

Whoever they get I hope is a strong character to throw some of these players out on their backsides.

I meant vocally as in, standing outside OT waving flags & banners!
 
No it's so people like you can carry on bashing absolutely everything every year and not give anyone the opportunity to say, well that's who you wanted. It's a joke every single year Fergie won the title I picked you up on your first month speech on how everything was a disaster and the title was over. How Fergie was tactically inept, now we hear he was worth 10 points per season. Not bad for a tactical nobbler is it.

You must have a list of people you would actually like to have the job, Mourinho aside as we know that cannot happen now.

Ok MOyes is done, we have established you are right, you must be so happy for once your constant whinging has born fruit. Now how about you grow a pair of balls and tell us the wonderful list of candidates you would like to manage the club you enjoy moaning about so much :p

...ah so you're just on the wind-up. Thanks for clarifying :)
 
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