Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?

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Tom0 said:
Couldn't agree more, it's criminal how often he doesn't get a game.
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I love the lad's attitude but he is short of what is required at the top level. I think he has also lost a little pace and his movement doesn't seem as it was. For the sake of his own career I would let him go because he isn't good enough to be the No.1 striker at United. Aguero and Suarez are a league ahead of him in the ability to create something from nothing either in or outside the box.

There is a lot to sort out at United. Some players need to step up and some need to ship out. You saw yesterday why Vidic being allowed to leave is the correct decision. He was at fault in the second goal and skinned by Richardson in the first half. Jones, Smalling and Evans can all step up. The fullbacks also need looking at - Evra yet again left us exposed at the back.

Sadly Fletcher showed how limited he is also yesterday. Carrick had a passable game but I still think he is a poor mans Pirlo. RvP also looks a shadow of the player he was last season so perhaps we have seen the best of him. Its a big job to rebuild that and I doubt he can even do it in one window. I can't say if anyone else would be any better given the players but its hard to imagine it being much worse.

People forget that it has taken Liverpool years to get back to a point where they are credible CL contendors. Arsenal have struggled for seasons to find consistency and Even Chelsea have had dodgy spells. It happens to most clubs but given that Uniteds record was so fabulous in the Premiership era then the context of this dip in form is stark.

i have said it for a few years now - we are terrible to watch and have become very predictable. Moyes needs to fix that as much as get back in contention for honours in my opinion.
 
Calpol said:
There is a lot to sort out at United. Some players need to step up and some need to ship out. You saw yesterday why Vidic being allowed to leave is the correct decision. He was at fault in the second goal and skinned by Richardson in the first half.
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Yeah, at fault for the 1st as well, he didnt need to come out and close down, he should have stayed where he was. Vidic standing goal side on the penalty spot is always going to be harder to penetrate than a defensive mid covering the run from deep. Fulham 1 up after a few mins is always going to be a nightmare to come back from..
 
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So nothing to do with us relying on rafael to cross 49 times in a match?

Fletcher is a dead duck and even at his best was always a poor man's (insert name of average player here).

Carrick looked okay yesterday. But he's a poor man's (insert name of any uk top 4 midfielder here)

Rvp whilst he won us the league last season I said he was too old and slow. We needed to spend that money elsewhere which is what upset Rooney...

we saw that Mata was active for about 15 mins per half but still looked miles better than most of our Clogher s.

keeping mistakes creeping back in, again.

Where does it start and where will the refresh stop

and how come so few of you noticed this pattern for the last x years?
 
anticonscience said:
Actually you're quite wrong.

I would say he needs to go if that's what I thought, but you can't transition from the legacy SAF left easily. It's something you have to go through and that's what United fans need to accept.
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You have to go through a manager playing dreadful tactics, questionable team selections, talking nonsense in interviews and allegedly having poor training techniques? Not to mention lack of transfer activity. Granted he signed a world class player in Mata but not a position we really needed, illustrated by the fact Moyes plays him out of position.

What exactly is time going to do for him? He clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
 
Quote courtesy of Redcafe - pre season I might add.

It appears what I have read about Moyes' tactical tendencies are proving correct. We may not win as many trophies but our football will be exhilarating. Moyes has won my respect in that aspect. Tactically, thought we were spot on today and I hope to see more of it.
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Poor deluded fools
 
I never thought Hodgson would be tactically good or play exhilarating football, but until about the end of september i convinced myself he wouldn't be ****, think that guy can be let off the hook for believing albeit I don't know where he got exhilarating football or tactically being spot on as playing not to lose against an equal or better team isn't spot on.
 
anticonscience said:
Actually you're quite wrong.

I would say he needs to go if that's what I thought, but you can't transition from the legacy SAF left easily. It's something you have to go through and that's what United fans need to accept.
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Jambo said:
You have to go through a manager playing dreadful tactics, questionable team selections, talking nonsense in interviews and allegedly having poor training techniques? Not to mention lack of transfer activity. Granted he signed a world class player in Mata but not a position we really needed, illustrated by the fact Moyes plays him out of position.

What exactly is time going to do for him? He clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
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He doesn't see that Jambo, he bypassed my entire post and went to the SAF legacy view which has nothing to do with my opinion on David Moyes and never has.

Fergie was barely there in the last 4 years and i've not really enjoyed the last 3 footballing wise, we've been dire. So anything about SAF really is just avoiding the matter at hand.

Do some people just not get that it isn't about the results right now.

Liverpool spent years trying to get back because they hired inept managers one after another until they got to Rodgers, who lookeyhere, has a modern philosophy for football that is clear as day and works, and Liverpool's transfer kitty isn't anything like ours so it's going to take them a couple of years of steady progress.

We've started in the top 4, hired a dinosaur of a manager, and everyone seems to think he needs time to put his philosophy in place. What is his philosphy, 6th place mediocrity with a heap load of crosses?
 
anticonscience said:
Personally I think United fans need to accept that it's going to take time. You've had a manager for the past 20+ years, no-one is going to walk into your life and fill that void, and make you win things the way you were. It's going to take time and a managerial merry-go-round will no help you.

If players are going against Moyes and he's lost the dressing room then those players should be dealt with accordingly, are they going to go against anyone because they aren't SAF?
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anticonscience said:
Actually you're quite wrong.

I would say he needs to go if that's what I thought, but you can't transition from the legacy SAF left easily. It's something you have to go through and that's what United fans need to accept.
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As others have pointed out, it has everything to do with the tactics and the mentality. I'm not a manager, but I wouldn't look at that squad and think: "Right, let's cross it and do nothing else. Work on nothing else. If we cross it, we'll win."

Why is Moyes thinking that? It's totally stupid. It makes no sense.

He's now got all this power, and might well ship out the majority of the team and replace them, then what? Why should he be able to do that? (And not have to answer for it)

I'm all for a transition. I don't want to win anything at the moment. Hell, even the top 4 isn't the end of the world, but I don't want to see tactics that would be insulting to a conference side being used, and NOTHING else. It's dumb, so dumb.

This has actually got nothing to do with SAF, and everything to do with Moyes. SAF is gone.

I don't expect Moyes to go, but in the next few games we need to stop the ridiculous, persistent crossing, and try something else. Something that isn't used by rubbish teams almost exclusively. I hope he sorts it out.
 
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Man U board: Here you go david, the best '10' in the league
Davey Moyes to board: cheers fellas
Davey Moyes to Mata: Just cross the ball its how they play here, that ought to appease the naysayers!

I would be a bit cheesed off at the manager having one of the best players in the league and then sticking him out wide, mental.
 
Newbie007 said:
Quote courtesy of Redcafe - pre season I might add.

Poor deluded fools
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You should read RAWK one of the days if you fancy some delusion ;)

Newbie007 said:
Man U board: Here you go david, the best '10' in the league
Davey Moyes to board: cheers fellas
Davey Moyes to Mata: Just cross the ball its how they play here, that ought to appease the naysayers!

I would be a bit cheesed off at the manager having one of the best players in the league and then sticking him out wide, mental.
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I've not seen him out wide yet?

I've seen him inside left and right though, exactly where he played for Chelsea for 75% of his time there.
 
Out of interest why would someone not have been brought in and groomed to be a long-term successor to Taggart? They pick up the mentality, the diet, the training methods, and it means the smoothest transition. It means the back office staff are going to be more inclined to stick around and there'll be less change overall.
 
I didnt see him play through the middle against Fulham that often, mind you I was blinded with tears of laughter. Any heat maps of his performance roaming around?
 
Gilly said:
Out of interest why would someone not have been brought in and groomed to be a long-term successor to Taggart? They pick up the mentality, the diet, the training methods, and it means the smoothest transition. It means the back office staff are going to be more inclined to stick around and there'll be less change overall.
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not really possible to do though is it? Fergie's had a few assistants at Man U and with the uncertainty of when he was going to retire who was going to hang on to take over when they're being offered managers positions themselves.

I'm sure Moyes knew well in advance he was going to be chosen by Fergie but by that time he would have been in the latter stages of his contract with Everton.
 
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