Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?


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Firstly, I wouldn't have started with Ashley Young. I would have started with Januzaj. Why wasn't he, why didn't he start against Stoke either?

I presume it's judgement time on Young, Moyes needs to play him to see if he has any future under him. Janu is pretty obvious he's going to be a very good player for Man U in the future. He's very direct, bit of cheat tho, but has got the potential to score 25 goals a season. He's 19 remember, don't rush it, keep him thirsty...

You tell your players to play football and play to their feet when you have RVP, Rooney and Mata (and Januzaj) Intricate and quick passing that all these players can do, to work angles and opportunities. .

what angles?
 
Juanjaz is only young you can't rush him and start him every match for his own benefit. Injuries, fatigue etc.

But he certainly injects more life than some of the other players.
 
Juanjaz is only young you can't rush him and start him every match for his own benefit. Injuries, fatigue etc.

But he certainly injects more life than some of the other players.

januzaj is 19, not 16. It is unfair how much has been put on him this season but the thing is - he's thrived. Ultimately we no longer have the luxury of leaving our most inform player out.
 
Still can't figure out why he isn't playing Kagawa...With 3 lining up behind RvP, Rooney, Mata and Kagawa could maybe work together.
 
4-3-2-1 in my opinion.

--------------------De Gea

Rafael-------Vidic--------Smalling--------Evra

-----Valencia------Fletcher-------Januzaj

------------Mata-----------Rooney

---------------------RVP

Bench (direct replacements): Hernandez, Nani, Jones, Carrick, Kagawa

4-4-2 doesn't work with Rooney and Mata.
 
You don't know what creating angles in football is?

That's a little worrying.

Shall we start from the beginning?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks2/maths/shape_space/angles/play/

Dude, i know what angles are, i think your failing to spot the point i was making.
It was regarding the fact that creating angles against Fulham was obviously very hard going and wasn't going to really work. United did start doing the whole bombardment trick bit too early though...but that's not Moyes fault really, at the end of the day the players have got to take control of the game themselves. Mistakes from Vidic cost you the game, had the result being 2-0, everything would be forgotten about, people would be happy then
 
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Dude, i know what angles are, i think your failing to spot the point i was making.
It was regarding the fact that creating angles against Fulham was obviously very hard going and wasn't going to really work. United did start doing the whole bombardment trick bit too early though...but that's not Moyes fault really, at the end of the day the players have got to take control of the game themselves. Mistakes from Vidic cost you the game, had the result being 2-0, everything would be forgotten about, people would be happy then

You were trying to be clever is what, as you've done with multiple posts on this page.

81 crosses, a record since opta began recording these stats. That's the manager, he's been pumping the same tactic all season. Down the wing, to the byline, cross it in.

Players play, managers tell them how to play, if you can't do that, you shouldn't be in any managerial position. Moyes apparently can tell me what to do, it's just been the completely wrong thing, as anybody with more than a peanut between their ears can see.

They could have won 4 - 0 against Fulham (Bottom of the league!) but if it was by the same torrid tactics, I'd still want his head on the chopping block, because it isn't good football, and it isn't going to challenge against the good sides, yet alone the top sides.
 
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You were trying to be clever is what, as you've done with multiple posts on this page.

81 crosses, a record since opta began recording these stats. That's the manager, he's been pumping the same tactic all season. Down the wing, to the byline, cross it in.

Players play, managers tell them what to do, if you can't do that, you shouldn't be in the job. Moyes apparently can tell me what to do, it's just been the completely wrong thing, as anybody with more than a peanut between their ears can see.

They could have won 4 - 0 against Fulham (Bottom of the league!) but if it was by the same torrid tactics, I'd still want his head on the chopping block, because it isn't good football, and it isn't going to challenge against the good sides, yet alone the top sides.

were Everton playing rubbish football? I'm talking about Evertons style of play of the last few years? its been pretty good right?

Players play, managers tell them what to do, if you can't do that, you shouldn't be in the job.

lol
 
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were Everton playing rubbish football? I'm talking about Evertons style of play of the last few years? its been pretty good right?



lol

They played lob ball to fellaini and before that they used a lot of Cahill's aerial ability from what I recall. Oh and the byline, loved the byline with baines and pienaar. And no, they've never excited me from as far back as I can recall.

And the Manager's role is not to tell their staff how to perform?

Oh Trusty, with your enlightened brain, do tell me what Moyes' is actually showing us? please, open my eyes instead of inanely questioning everything without a single view from yourself.
 
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They played lob ball to fellaini and before that they used a lot of Cahill's aerial ability from what I recall. Oh and the byline, loved the byline with baines and pienaar. And no, they've never excited me from as far back as I can recall.

Yeah i realise that it was all about the aerial threat from both Cahill and Fell (they are good at it, use it) but it sort of comes back to limitations, Everton dont have the money really to add a complete forward like you want, not at everton. He had Rooney obviously early in his carear but still. Anyway, Moyes still picked those players up and got them all working well. I think people need more time really than 6 months to rearrange a squad. Hopefully with higher calibre wingers forwards, they can start to add the hardest part to a squad. Players with decent final 3rd efficiency. Moyes builds from the back.
i'll think you find this interesting...you'll noitce a trend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991–92_Everton_F.C._season
 
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Yeah i realise that it was all about the aerial threat from the those two but it sort of comes back to limitations, Moyes still picked those good players up and got them all working well. I think people need more time really than 6 months to rearrange a squad. Hopefully with higher calibre wingers forwards, they can start to add the hardest part to a squad. Players with decent final 3rd efficiency. Moyes builds from the back, i'll think you find this interesting...you'll noitce a trend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991–92_Everton_F.C._season

They were good players, he didn't have rubbish players. They weren't top class by no means. Hence they sat exactly where they were meant to be.

But what he's doing here, is taking the same tactic, slapped it on united, and it's ruining them, because when you step up a class, you get players that play football, not percentage crossing. Regardless of the wingers he brings in, that is not going to do anything to resolve the fact we're then negating the talents of our front line. They want the ball at their feet, not lofted in high!

What type of football do the best teams in the world play?

Bayern
Barca
Real
Dortmund
Man City
Chelsea

None of them play like this, they play progressive football, football with the ball at their feet, that relies on talent, not the odds of throwing it into the danger-zone (Lana!).
 
Mate...seriously i dunno what to say. You want instant gratification from Moyes or something. You've Got to have patience in some circumstances. Moyes has been working his whole life for this job. You gotta let him be and see who he can bring in at summer. A load of you Man U fan's are too unrealistic as well with the magnitude of the handover..

He's already got Rooney staying, Brought Janu up to 1st team level, Mata is through the door (Man U fans wouldnt have taken you seriously with that remark 6 months ago) errr....what else, just recently said that Vidic is being show the door, definite high profile CB coming in then..yayyy...happy Man U fans...yayyyyy.. :o

None of them play like this, they play progressive football, football with the ball at their feet, that relies on talent, not the odds of throwing it into the danger-zone (Lana!).

I've no idea what progressive football is really..
 
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Mate...seriously i dunno what to say. You want instant gratification from Moyes or something. You've Got to have patience in some circumstances. Moyes has been working his whole life for this job. You gotta let him be and see who he can bring in at summer. A load of you Man U fan's are too unrealistic as well with the magnitude of the handover..

He's already got Rooney staying, Brought Janu up to 1st team level, Mata is through the door (Man U fans wouldnt have taken you seriously with that remark 6 months ago) errr....what else, just recently said that Vidic is being show the door, definite high profile CB coming in then..yayyy...happy Man U fans...yayyyyy.. :o



I've no idea what progressive football is really..

Let's put it simply. Give a Sportscar to an old lady, she isn't going to drive it to it's potential.
 
Man U aren't a sportscar though are they? Not compared to City/Chelsea squad standards..

Lol..conservative football is apprantly granny football. Barca play extremely conservative football.
 
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Sports car is the cost in this situation, the squad is the upgrades you can make to your car. Everton can afford a 65mil wage a year's worth of upgrades, Utd can afford 180mil a year in "upgrades". If you build the same quality car with the same amount spent then..... you're doing it wrong.

There is a reason why Everton look much much much more threatening against top teams now. Limited style of football is predictable, there is a reason Rene knew what Utd were planning on doing, and had no range on their style of play.

The players aren't playing well, which is the responsibility of both player and manager. Sometimes you don't know who is at fault, sometimes you get the situation where a new manager comes in, gets very very clearly worse performances out of 90+% of the squad and it's very clear who is at fault.

There is a reason why top sides play similarly and sides with less ability to compete, less money, often end up following a different route. There is a reason why certain sides can win a cup and others don't. Everton never looked like winning one, but Wigan, Swansea and others have. Then you have others still your Brum's who go all out defence and occasionally they'll get a cup but never ever consistently.

I really can't understand Fergie's part in recommending him though, I can't get my head around him recommending one of his friends for the club he supposedly loves. I can't believe Fergie thought Moyes would do well.

People do like to forget what Fergie achieved before being Utd manager that bought him time at Utd, he was a proven winner and change was occurring under him.

I said at the time, and currently, a fresh manager who isn't set in his way of doing things, or a proven winner, a proven mediocre manager. Most people get set in their ways, Moyes fielded a fairly dull team for a large number of years without looking like he could win anything. That was always the worst choice, his idea of management is 10 years at Everton, he's not used to a big budget, nor the huge ego's, nor the number of games a season, nor the winning mentality.

Look at Guardiola or Mourinho, or many others, it's not necessarily about how good you are, both were fresh faced managers when they got success. They both learned to manage while at clubs that expected to compete for everything every year, and took over clubs that were trying to win everything every year.

If you take over Walsall or learn to manage their, your priorities, ideas, targets, are all different.

Moyes has a no lose mentality written all over him, the way he plays, the way he sets up teams, and the sheer number of times he's said something along the lines of "I have no idea how we didn't win"... precisely, because for 10 years winning was incidental, his target was always to not lose, he never learnt how to win. While not losing and playing get down the wings and knock it to a big haircut football, if wins happened they were welcomed, but he hasn't spent 10 years learning and teaching a team how to win when things are difficult, just how not to lose..... He is literally coming out after every game and telling everyone he doesn't know how to win a game every time they drop points.

He couldn't be more ill suited for the job. Yes, some people adapt and adapt well, others don't, the majority don't adapt well to change and Moyes has shown literally no ability to adapt at all. He never changed throughout his time at Everton. I never thought he'd be able to adapt, there were zero signs he was trying to push Everton on and improve their style/ability to win over time, and after 6 months at Utd it's clear he can't adapt to a club with idea's other than not losing.
 
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Moyes has a no lose mentality written all over him, the way he plays, the way he sets up teams, and the sheer number of times he's said something along the lines of "I have no idea how we didn't win"... precisely, because for 10 years winning was incidental, his target was always to not lose, he never learnt how to win. While not losing and playing get down the wings and knock it to a big haircut football, if wins happened they were welcomed, but he hasn't spent 10 years learning and teaching a team how to win when things are difficult, just how not to lose..... He is literally coming out after every game and telling everyone he doesn't know how to win a game every time they drop points.

He couldn't be more ill suited for the job. Yes, some people adapt and adapt well, others don't, the majority don't adapt well to change and Moyes has shown literally no ability to adapt at all. He never changed throughout his time at Everton. I never thought he'd be able to adapt, there were zero signs he was trying to push Everton on and improve their style/ability to win over time, and after 6 months at Utd it's clear he can't adapt to a club with idea's other than not losing.

I really can't believe I have found something that DM says that I agree with, but this is exactly how Moyes comes across and like said above he admits he doesn't know how to win games!!
 
He's already got Rooney staying, Brought Janu up to 1st team level, Mata is through the door (Man U fans wouldnt have taken you seriously with that remark 6 months ago) errr....what else, just recently said that Vidic is being show the door, definite high profile CB coming in then..yayyy...happy Man U fans...yayyyyy.. :o

Cool. Who cares what happens on the pitch right? We may be outclassed by relegation battling sides but at least we're top of the off the pitch table...
 
Mate...seriously i dunno what to say. You want instant gratification from Moyes or something. You've Got to have patience in some circumstances. Moyes has been working his whole life for this job. You gotta let him be and see who he can bring in at summer. A load of you Man U fan's are too unrealistic as well with the magnitude of the handover..

He's already got Rooney staying, Brought Janu up to 1st team level, Mata is through the door (Man U fans wouldnt have taken you seriously with that remark 6 months ago) errr....what else, just recently said that Vidic is being show the door, definite high profile CB coming in then..yayyy...happy Man U fans...yayyyyy.. :o



I've no idea what progressive football is really..

Yet you've now spent the best part of £70m under him and still haven't solved the problem which was blatantly obvious when he came into the club, that you need a top central midfielder.

Brendan Rodgers, by the same time in his Liverpool career, had us playing the best football we have since 2008. Results weren't great, but there was very obvious progress under him and he had shown that he deserved time. There has been zero progress under Moyes.
 
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