Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

[dannyjo22]

2 years?!? My god, our matches are almost driving me to drink as it is.

Would you give him another year if the club gave him money to move on 4 or 5 players and next season the football was much better but you still won nothing?

I'm inclined to see Robbo's reasoning that without any improvements being shown his time is up. I thought there would be signs by now but I was wrong. I also agree with him that at any other club he would already be gone.

I don't think you need to worry about becoming an alcoholic, once it's mathmatically impossible for you to get in the top 4 I'm sure he will be gone and your liver can take a breather

 

[fez]

Would you give him another year if the club gave him money to move on 4 or 5 players and next season the football was much better but you still won nothing?

I'm inclined to see Robbo's reasoning that without any improvements being shown his time is up. I thought there would be signs by now but I was wrong. I also agree with him that at any other club he would already be gone.

I don't think you need to worry about becoming an alcoholic, once it's mathmatically impossible for you to get in the top 4 I'm sure he will be gone and your liver can take a breather

I'm pretty sure most fans would give him plenty of time if he showed anything at all. He hasn't made us attempt to play anything but absolutely **** football 95% of the time and keeps picking squads that are the worst of a bad bunch. We get it, you haven't inherited a squad that will take the world by storm but you also haven't inherited a squad that doesn't have any other choice but Cleverley, Young and Valencia in midfield.

Any chimp can take a squad of top top class players and get them into the top 4 in the PL. It takes a good manager and a good squad to do something more than that and he hasn't shown any progress tactically, morale wise or improved work ethic. The team he has left is being hailed for playing the best football people have seen them play and he has taken a title winning squad to new lows.

Any other club would have sacked him and rightly so. We didn't expect miracles or a title or anything much in this first season or perhaps even next season. What we didn't expect is to be a laughing stock and beatable by nearly everyone who steps onto the pitch against us.

 

[Shamikebab]

No. I just don't see the football getting better really. Unless he signs a big lump up front and then tbh I'm not sure i want us playing that kind of football. He hasn't even really shown much sign that he knows what he wants to do with Mata!

 

[Robbo]

Would you give him another year if the club gave him money to move on 4 or 5 players and next season the football was much better but you still won nothing?

I'm inclined to see Robbo's reasoning that without any improvements being shown his time is up. I thought there would be signs by now but I was wrong. I also agree with him that at any other club he would already be gone.

This is the gamble we have to take now, either way. If he's allowed to bring in 5 great players and spend, say, £100m, things may well improve. That's if we can even attract his targets. Then we're relying on these new players to all adapt, which doesn't always go well. I mean we need almost a whole new defence and half of a midfield - that's a pretty big rebuilding job. However, if we spend £100m and end up with five David Moyes style players, they might not be much good, and then we're £100m down and the next manager might not want them.

It's a really awkward situation and I do feel the safest option is probably to sack him, however if he gets the right people he could end up turning it around. I'd be much more inclined to back him if I'd taken to his personality, and he was at least trying to play good football, trying out different players, and so forth. He's done very little of that. I know he's under pressure but he just comes across as a blame-shifting, whinge at the press, blame luck, blame the ref, sort of guy.

Our remaining fixture list isn't pretty either. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually lost at least half of the games we have left. If that happens then I can't see him being supported going into the summer.

On top of all this, it's a World Cup year, which makes the transfer window an even bigger pain, so we'll have to try and quickly get all our deals in place as fast as we possibly can. It's going to be a fascinating summer, whatever happens, and likely a stressful one too!

I'd love to see what the Glazers are thinking. Regardless of what the club say, they won't blindly be backing him. I imagine everything he does at the moment is under a microscope within the club, to ensure that when the summer comes, he's definitely up to the job.

 

[estebanrey]

 

[Robbo]

Gary Neville says the Manchester United players will be in more danger of getting the chop than manager David Moyes.

Neville joined Geoff Sheeves on this week's Champions League Podcast where he reiterated that Moyes will have the backing of the board despite the under-par results this season.

"I said earlier on in the season the players will be in more danger than the manager," said the former United captain. "The way in which Manchester United have always worked is to give the manager time and I believe in that philosophy.

"Managers are getting sacked after 70 days but to even think of sacking a manager after seven months is nonsense, so I think [United] will support Moyes.

"You look at the people on the board, and we're talking about the Glazer family and whether they've ever been put in this position before.

"But you look at the likes of David Gill, Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Alex Ferguson - who are obviously the main football people at Manchester United - and I don't think for one second it will be crossing their minds at this moment in time.

"The players will be more at threat and feeling nervous about whether they are part of the future."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ore-threat-than-david-moyes-says-gary-neville

I think Gary has deluded himself a bit here. He's not really making any reasoned points on this aside from repeatedly saying we will always give a manager loads of time no matter how badly he's doing; which is clearly not going to be the case.

 

[Purdy]

Yes it is quite clearly the case, they can't possibly disrupt something this beautiful

 

[mmj_uk]

I don't think I've heard Gary Neville say one bad thing about Moyes on Sky, he's probably agreed to support him publically and plus his brothers job is at stake.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

I wonder if the team would be doing so badly if the backroom hadn't of been eviscerated (including Gill). Moyes is far too weak to be in charge though. Would sell my soul for Klopp, even if the results were bad, he would at least give awesome interviews

 

[Stretch]

Good point. With the number of changes, you have to wonder if SAF could go back and do a decent job.

It's pretty bad planning on the clubs part.

 

[FrankJH]

I don't think I've heard Gary Neville say one bad thing about Moyes on Sky, he's probably agreed to support him publically and plus his brothers job is at stake.

Gary has always been single- minded, so the above is extremely unlikely

Its more to do with the fact that SAF supports Moyes, and Gary has utter belief in his old boss.

edit - I still believe losing Gill at the same time as SAF was the biggest problem with last summer which led to no major signings (and even MF , if the up-front fee was ~£15m as mentioned earlier, cant be described as "major" either way)

 

[semi-pro waster]

I know he's under pressure but he just comes across as a blame-shifting, whinge at the press, blame luck, blame the ref, sort of guy.

To be fair it might be an attempt to create a siege mentality, something that the previous incumbent wasn't averse to doing either. Or it could be a bad case of the slopey shoulders but there might be some sort of reasoning behind the approach.

 

[hawkhench]

I don't think I've heard Gary Neville say one bad thing about Moyes on Sky, he's probably agreed to support him publically and plus his brothers job is at stake.

If you follow him on twitter, every time a manager gets sacked within a year or so of taking the job he goes on a rant about giving people time. I'd assume it's more to do with backing his own philosophy and giving the guy a chance.

 

[platypus]

Who follows Gary Neville on twitter?!

 

[Robbo]

I don't think I've heard Gary Neville say one bad thing about Moyes on Sky, he's probably agreed to support him publically and plus his brothers job is at stake.

That's true, I suppose he can't really say anything else, given his brother is one of Moyes' main men.

If you follow him on twitter, every time a manager gets sacked within a year or so of taking the job he goes on a rant about giving people time. I'd assume it's more to do with backing his own philosophy and giving the guy a chance.

Could be this too, or more likely a combination of the two.

To be fair it might be an attempt to create a siege mentality, something that the previous incumbent wasn't averse to doing either. Or it could be a bad case of the slopey shoulders but there might be some sort of reasoning behind the approach.

It might be. However, all things considered it just looks pretty pathetic and desperate!

 

[johnyccc]

Neville has really started to annoy me this season.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Just because it worked for Fergie by giving him time, doesn't mean it's the right decision every time. I mean Moyes has been nothing short of a disaster how can u give a guy like that time?

Results speak for themselves and Moyes isn't looking to good now, but hey Fergie got time and look what he did for the club the same must be true about Moyes then?

Gary wouldn't shut up about United being a crossing team, almost every team was a crossing team 10-15 years ago, football has moved on and now United are lagging behind the rest in Europe yet Gary still wants United to be a crossing team because they done it when he was there with Fergie.

He seems quite old fashioned and single minded really, he's a good pundit and maybe he doesn't want to criticise Moyes because he is actually friends with Gary as he was on Monday night football last year with Gary and his brother will be out of a job if Moyes is gone so he cant say anything bad about Moyes.

 

[Robbo]

Sky should try and keep Neville away from Man Utd related subjects, he can't really be impartial when it comes to the whole Moyes/transition situation, as he's shown. He offers no good reasoning and just repeats the same old rubbish about how the club will stand by the manager no matter what. Why on earth would the Glazers put themselves at the complete mercy of David Moyes? He's just one man, and is doing a terrible job so far. Let's not forget this is a man who has no real credentials to manage the club in the first place. And all the comparisons to Sir Alex are farcical at best, for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained.

As for Neville's tactical insight towards us, it's been pretty rubbish lately too. As someone pointed out above, he kept banging on about how the club simply MUST play wide and with flying wingers, because that's what Man Utd do. How many good teams do that now? Robben and Ribery both cut inside for Bayern, Bale and Ronaldo are usually more central for Real Madrid. It's utterly stupid. The modern winger is a combination of a striker and a more traditional winger, and the best ones are pretty much capable of playing anywhere in the final third.

Moyes' pre-match interview before the Olympiacos game was extremely pessimistic. He said we need to be "compact" and "hard to play against", and that "we hope to try and get ourselves an away goal", "it'll be really tough". "Hopefully we're ready for it". This is against Olympiacos, not Bayern or Real Madrid. For goodness sake man. He also said that we were in a good run of form coming into the match, which is a load of absolute rubbish.

As I've said before, the chances of Moyes eventually turning into Sir Alex Ferguson Mk.II are astronomically small, and that's even before you consider how badly he's done so far. It's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row with the exact same numbers.

 

[Frodo1805]

How will it change it?

For one the transfer targets you are linked to i.e. kroos are not coming if your not in the champions league. Also, they are not going to want to play under David Moyes a manager who has never won nothing and taken a title winning side to the position they are in now, thats how it will change it.

 

[Newbie007]

Havent Olympiacos been quite impressive at home against some very good opposition, think they have beaten all the English teams there recently (Arsenal, Chelsea), Bayern & Spanish opposition. Given how utterly average you have been of late, trying to be compact and break on the counter was probably a good idea, unfortunately you dont have the pace, nor the players (especially in MF) to play that way.