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KillBoY_UK said:
The US don't to do bad in the grand scheme of things.

https://www.transparency.org/cpi2019

I would say there less corrupt than most countries and organisations closer to home
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One of my biggest worries with US political corruption is that its been ruled that money = speech. So super pacs can spend money to aide a party or candidate and there is no accountability of who or where that money comes from. It just invites corruption. They would be far better off doing what we do in the UK and limit political spending. Also what they spend on elections is obscene.
 
Murphy said:
You know....That's what i find totally baffling about tang0's screaming, crying, and moaning over this apparent miscarriage of justice and these documents that supposedly show he's not guilty or that there's been some grievous wrongdoing, they show nothing of the sorts, all they show is that the FBI were doing their job.

As i said to him earlier what they did is literally readout to hundreds or thousands of people every day by police officers, "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court", Flynn choose not to remain silent, he choose to make false statements and those were used against him in court, simples, what's so extraordinary about that, police do what the FBI did in interviews everyday.

"Tell us what you know"
"I didn't do it"
"We've got evidence that shows you did"
"I didn't do it"
"If you don't talk things could get really bad for you, your job, or your family"
"OK, I'll tell you everything i know"
"Our evidence shows that's not what happened, you're lying aren't you"
"Yea"

*Officers walk out the room*

"Good job he didn't ask us for that evidence as we were only bluffing to see what he'd say"
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Exactly this, I mean i'm not saying the US justice system is perfect, in fact from some of the stuff I've read and heard it sounds absolutely terrible, but in relation to the stuff tang0 has highlighted it seems that he wants the process to be:

Cops give literally all the evidence to the suspect at the beginning of the interview and ask them to explain it.
Suspect makes up a bunch of lies.
Cops are unable to delve deeper because they have no additional evidence.
 
tang0 said:
Biden is done, Hillary now 10/1 for nominee

Looks like I'm going to be right about that too
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There is a pattern here. You get proven wrong, you blank it out and change subject, you get proven wrong again and you black it out again and change subjects. Now you get proven wrong again and you have just blanked it out again and brought yet another new subject and this is just the past week. Do you have any idea how to admit mistakes and have a real debate? No need to answer you have proven everything said about you is true.
 
Pottsey said:
There is a pattern here. You get proven wrong, you blank it out and change subject, you get proven wrong again and you black it out again and change subjects. Now you get proven wrong again and you have just blanked it out again and brought yet another new subject and this is just the past week. Do you have any idea how to admit mistakes and have a real debate? No need to answer you have proven everything said about you is true.
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Admit mistakes? I'm right about Flynn, the judge will toss the case. They had no basis to go after him, there was no Russian contacts, they kept the case open to fabricate a crime on him. That's abuse of power.

Flynn is tip of the iceberg, there were set-ups, honey pots, stings with cash, wire taps, informants, political targeting, fraudulent FISA's and Trump caught them all.

May will be interesting
 
JRS said:
Yeah. Sure. Okay tang0.

Tell me something. What's it like, having Hillary living rent-free in your head? :p
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:D...if it isn’t Hillary then it’s Obama. Both live in Trump and his supporters head rent free :p.
Imagine what kind of person you have to be to allow 2 people, who lets be honest are no longer relevant in this day and age.

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that Obama isn’t being touted as the democratic presidential candidate lol :p
 
tang0 said:
Admit mistakes? I'm right about Flynn, the judge will toss the case. They had no basis to go after him, there was no Russian contacts, they kept the case open to fabricate a crime on him. That's abuse of power.

Flynn is tip of the iceberg, there were set-ups, honey pots, stings with cash, wire taps, informants, political targeting, fraudulent FISA's and Trump caught them all.

May will be interesting
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You made a number of mistakes and have been proven wrong multiple times in the past weeks and you just blanked each one out just like you blanked all my and others peoples posts that had evidence proving you wrong on various points. You come across as very detached from realty and truth instead being led astray by fake news and people who are no longer relevant.
 
Pottsey said:
Not sure about that. I do think America should be higher but not that much higher. Yes Trumps government is corrupt and Trump has created a large swamp and hired a large amount of criminals but that is all at the high level of government. The corruption doesn't for the most part seep down to lower levels not to the scale of those 3rd world countries. Those corrupt 3rd world countries you can pretty much bribe every other policemen, every other planning department, all sorts of license's can be bypassed via corruption. For the most part that type of wide spread corruption isn't in the US. There is some of it but no where near the scale of other places.

Trump has 100% made the corruption worse though. Instead of draining the swamp, he filled the swamp and expanded it.
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I have a Nigerian friend, as you say, the stories from his homeland make note of corruption everywhere you go, it's a way of life.

It's almost like the American acceptance of widespread tipping, you expect to pay people a bit more than the advertised price for certain things.
 
Officially though corrupt regimes cover up their corruption, that's what makes corruption so rife, the media etc don't report on it and people who try to blow the whistle "disappear". That's why I always find it funny when Democrat supporters claim that the Obama administration had zero scandals, when you look at the way the US corporate media run cover and avoid mentioning things that make the Democrats look bad is it any wonder? It's starting to look now like they were involved in an election campaign spying scandal bigger than Watergate and then spent 3 years of the Trump administration accusing him of all sorts of stuff to bog him down long enough to keep it covered up. While all of the Mueller investigation was taking place all of the evidence relating to Obama's administration spying on Trump's campaign was sucked into it and in senate hearings the FBI etc were "unable to comment on things related to ongoing investigations", the whole Russia collusion hoax was a very effective way for the corrupt FBI officials to block any investigation into their own actions meddling in the 2016 election. The Democrat deep state's plan is very obvious they are just trying to buy enough time to be able to win the presidency in 2020 and then everything the Trump administration is currently looking into (Durham investigation) which the corporate media won't report on will be covered up.
 
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Geezus that wall of guff above, another one that’s truly detached from reality lol.

You have absolutely no proof of anything you claim above but yet are content to spread fake news and CT ******** as per usual.
 
tang0 said:
Admit mistakes? I'm right about Flynn, the judge will toss the case. They had no basis to go after him, there was no Russian contacts, they kept the case open to fabricate a crime on him. That's abuse of power.

Flynn is tip of the iceberg, there were set-ups, honey pots, stings with cash, wire taps, informants, political targeting, fraudulent FISA's and Trump caught them all.

May will be interesting
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Wait what? Are you saying Flynn didn't speak to the Russian Ambassador while Trump was President Elect and Flynn was a private citizen?
 
tang0 said:
Admit mistakes? I'm right about Flynn, the judge will toss the case. They had no basis to go after him, there was no Russian contacts, they kept the case open to fabricate a crime on him. That's abuse of power.

Flynn is tip of the iceberg, there were set-ups, honey pots, stings with cash, wire taps, informants, political targeting, fraudulent FISA's and Trump caught them all.

May will be interesting
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At this point I'm doubting you even know what Flynn was convicted of, you do know it wasn't because of Russian contacts or Russian interference, right?

Do you think making a false statement shouldn't be illegal or something?
 
Murphy said:
At this point I'm doubting you even know what Flynn was convicted of, you do know it wasn't because of Russian contacts or Russian interference, right?

Do you think making a false statement shouldn't be illegal or something?
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Should have said Russian informants. Look they knew they had no basis to continue to investigate Flynn about Russia, and wanted to close the case on Jan 4, 2017. Strzok stopped them, so they had to manufacture a crime. That was to get trap him into perjury about the Kislyak call,

The "predicate" makes clear that they had no basis even to open a case on Flynn. But he worked for Trump and he visited Russia which is declared to the DIA, and has "links" to Russians?

Just watch Flynn's lawyer talk about how he was setup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGks7be5g0
 
The handwritten notes that showed whether the goal was "Truth/Admission" or "to get him to lie", were dated Jan. 24, 2017, which was the same day of Flynn's underhanded White House FBI interview

Funny that huh
 
tang0 said:
The handwritten notes that showed whether the goal was "Truth/Admission" or "to get him to lie", were dated Jan. 24, 2017, which was the same day of Flynn's underhanded White House FBI interview

Funny that huh
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In what context and tone was that intended?

More than once I've been in a bid meeting and asked sarcastically/hyperbolically "Are we trying to win this contract or gift wrap it for the opposition."
 
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