Doubling up speaker cable, improvement I've noticed
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One twin cable is negative only - so going from Speaker negative to Amp negative.
The other twin cable is positive only - so going from Speaker positive to Amp positive.
EDIT.
I took a picture at one of the speaker ends.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/N...ToMyGuKRPu4ebOozyPlJJ=w669-h892-no?authuser=0
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There is no extra runs of cables.
Look at the picture i posted in last post.
Those cables follow down to the amp.
One dual cable - both ends are twisted together - that cable becomes negative, and connects to negative on the amp.
The other dual cable - both ends are twisted together - that cable becomes positive, and connects to positive on the amp.
Then everything repeats again for the other speaker.
Would you like me to make a Visio diagram?
There is a reason I posted this in the PC Sound section, and not the HiFi section. This system on my computer is not expensive. These copper cables were £5 for 10 meters each on a Maplins closing down sale.
For example the Edifier speaker, all the ones I've seen come with aluminium speaker cable, those Edifier speakers can be upgraded by changing to OFC cable. So there is some food for thought, how many people have laughed at this thread, but have their speakers connected on aluminium..
Often I will see people with speakers on their desk, not even positioned, and I will tell them to get some cheap stands, or I might tell them to buy isolation foam. By making this post I was honestly trying to help people.
I know exactly what aluminium cable is like as have used it on more expensive audio systems, in general it needs to be double thickness to begin to match OFC.
Edifier speakers are good value for the money, in their price range they have reasonable quality amps, and the speakers have good design for the money, I'm taking relative to a speaker / amp setup in the £100 - £200 range.
The thin cable in this picture is from an Edifier, see the copper cable next to it. The Edifiers are definitely good enough to get an improvement by switching that thin aluminium cable out.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p...YtW_bZhMBQeuC7cezuV5=w1190-h892-no?authuser=0
Well that's plane wrong, replacing that thin aluminium cable (in my photo), to even similar size OFC cable you most definitely would get an improvement. Again the Edifiers are reasonable quality given their price point.
Your the only person here using the term 'expensive cables', this thread is about good quality copper cables that can be purchased relativity cheap.
The speakers have been raised up from the desk - this reduces resonance (with the desk) and improves sound quality.
To reposition the tweeter closer to ear level, the speaker is then turned upside down.
It's already been answered, it's lower resistance from running the two cables in parallel, then lower capacitance possibly helping also.
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I don't believe it, I know it as I've done it.
Edifiers speakers are reasonable quality, most are rated at at least 30W RMS between 6-8ohm.
See again picture I posted of thin Edifier supplied aluminium cable.
I notice you had no response when I said I raised my speakers up to reduce resonance then rotated speaker to put tweeter better in line. Also no one had a response once they discovered I'll actually lowered capacitance given the way I wired the speakers.
Like about 70% people in this thread you can't possibly accept that my original post could be correct, that it very much was correct. So your trying to find things to discredit me with.
And the reason I don't always use the correct words, for example I use 'more rounded' plus edit often, is because i'm dyslexic, but I did manage a software engineering degree.
Your playing the man and not the ball.
You talk about double blind testing, however this is your rules. What your doing is moving the goal posts to something you know I can't possibly prove. You don't work for this government in stats do you?
I've been setting up audio for years, I never needed a double blind test to tell me what I found better. And my hearing is fine.
The quotes I copied, one of them is a professional HiFi tester, so your going to discredit all those people, your not even at least curious that they could be correct?
The placebo word is a 'cheap' way to discredit people you don't agree with, it's used when you don't have any proper counter argument and it cheapens you for using it.
Little arrogant of you. So according to your standard, I'm not creditable to have a view on my own audio? I'm curious are all the people who post in the audio / HiFi sections are they not credible also?
Ridiculous amounts? My post is about some cheap copper cable.
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Grey2233,
You have two cable choices.
Cable 1: It has a resistance value, and a capacitance value.
Cable 2: It has half the resistance of cable 1, and a lower capacitance than cable 1.
It's established lower resistance and lower capacitance are both better for improving sound.
When I doubled the cable up, I went from Cable 1 to Cable 2,
Given the science is totally on my side, why do you still disagree with me?
You have two cable choices.
Cable 1: It has a resistance value, and a capacitance value.
Cable 2: It has half the resistance of cable 1, and a lower capacitance than cable 1.
It's established lower resistance and lower capacitance are both better for improving sound.
When I doubled the cable up, I went from Cable 1 to Cable 2,
Given the science is totally on my side, why do you still disagree with me?
No it's lower.
The 2 positive cables are on their own twin shotgun cable bunch.
The 2 negative cables are on their own twin shotgun cable bunch.
Those 2 bunches of cables are physically sperate, certainly more separate then a normal molded speaker cable pair, there for lower capacitance.
Wrong.
Capacitance can be viewed as an intimate ongoing relationship between the conductor and the ground plane.
https://www.hca.hitachi-cable.com/products/medical/faq/answers/whats-is-capacitance.php
My conductors and ground plane - this case my positive and negative wires - are separated more than a regular moulded speaker cable pair, so less capacitance.
If each cable bunch had it's own positive and negative wires you would be correct, however I've not done this.
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It's just as in the above picture, so each speaker terminal has 2 wires going to it (instead of 1).
It's known that lower resistance and also lower capacitance are better properties for speaker cable. By doubling up the cable I did exactly this on the cheap.
It's not for me to defend what's already known about better cable properties, but for others to provide a reason why this would not provide any benefit. People have made a lot of noise in this thread, but so far provided no intelligent reason against what I've done.
And I say again, the improvement was not a small difference. It unbalanced the speakers when only done on one channel, the improvement was softer treble and more detail.
But think about this logically..
From Yamaha specs, my speakers are 40watt RMS at 6ohm, there being driven by an 8ohm amp. It's already established that driving a lower ohm speaker (then the amp) requires more power.
In addition my cables are 17AWG (1.15mm), that's not much for those speakers above. Ask most people into HiFi they will say get at least 2.5mm speaker cable, by doubling up the cable I've created a 14AWG (2.3mm) cable.
Remember these cables cost me £10 for 20 meters in a Maplin's closing down, I've not selling you anything here, don't confuse this thread with an expensive or exotic speaker cable.
It's not for me to defend what's already known about better cable properties, but for others to provide a reason why this would not provide any benefit. People have made a lot of noise in this thread, but so far provided no intelligent reason against what I've done.
And I say again, the improvement was not a small difference. It unbalanced the speakers when only done on one channel, the improvement was softer treble and more detail.
But think about this logically..
From Yamaha specs, my speakers are 40watt RMS at 6ohm, there being driven by an 8ohm amp. It's already established that driving a lower ohm speaker (then the amp) requires more power.
In addition my cables are 17AWG (1.15mm), that's not much for those speakers above. Ask most people into HiFi they will say get at least 2.5mm speaker cable, by doubling up the cable I've created a 14AWG (2.3mm) cable.
Remember these cables cost me £10 for 20 meters in a Maplin's closing down, I've not selling you anything here, don't confuse this thread with an expensive or exotic speaker cable.
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I'm agree it's fun 
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This thread as just taken a dramatic change of direction, as moments ago I've just taken delivery of these Van Damme Lo-Cap 55 interconnects
. There for my more expensive system in living room, I already know what there like as use these cables already, I'm off now to set them up
. This thread as just taken a dramatic change of direction, as moments ago I've just taken delivery of these Van Damme Lo-Cap 55 interconnects
. There for my more expensive system in living room, I already know what there like as use these cables already, I'm off now to set them up
I've listened to lots of interconnects and these are by far the best I have ever found . Detailed, totally neutral, no noticeable signal loss even on long runs, double shielded so incredibly low noise. These probably provide the best signal possible before going XLR
. Detailed, totally neutral, no noticeable signal loss even on long runs, double shielded so incredibly low noise. These probably provide the best signal possible before going XLRI said no noticeable signal loss.
The Lo-Cap 55's are 3 strands of silver plated copper. These cables don't make detail, however cheaper RCA's can muddy (loose detail) the sound quality.
Cheap RCA's have more resistance, I have some 3m Belkin RCA cables and there is notable drop in volume (lower signal) from those cables.
If your dealing with interconnects then you will understand shielding, and the Lo-Cap 55's are double shielded. I've had studio monitors that have suffered with background noise that was at least part solved by better shielded cables.
XLR becomes very important when you have multiple analogue equipment connected together, and the combined analogue noise would become to much.
When your connecting a single source to an amp, then RCA's are ok. Again you can use good shielded interconnects to reduce any noise issue.
You say at least run balanced interconnects, that would cost me a significant amount of money, as would require new amp, new cd player, talking in the £1000's to change all that. In contrast one of those cables in the photo was £28. So that's £28 to improve the signal, as it happens from a CD player, compared to the vast amount to change to XLR, thats not required anyway.
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