Dover Ferry Queues

[Hawk Tuah]

You do realise that being independent from the EU allows the people of the UK to vote for whoever they want now. The way things in Europe are heading, you might find in the next decade the continent becomes a lot more right wing.

Brexit != Conservative.

Perhaps you're too emotionally entrenched in very blinkered views to see that.

Also, this is a discussion about Ferry queues. Lets not try bringing all the worlds woes into just one thread.

 

[Devilman]

I love europe, my countries still in it. Sucks to be you.
Brexit threads that way ->

This is a thread about Dover. The sad reality is a lot of these problems DO stem from Brexit and the poor agreements that were setup during the negotiations.

To try and "push" this over to the Brexit thread is just another example of people trying to "hide" the realities of Brexit from the general population and the impact it has on things such as the recent issues with Ferry Crossings.
Stop trying to hide the reality of the cause of these problems from the thread. It's dishonest and frankly disgusting.

 

[Devilman]

You do realise that being independent from the EU allows the people of the UK to vote for whoever they want now. The way things in Europe are heading, you might find in the next decade the continent becomes a lot more right wing.

Brexit != Conservative.

Perhaps you're too emotionally entrenched in very blinkered views to see that.

Also, this is a discussion about Ferry queues. Lets not try bringing all the worlds woes into just one thread.

Grow UP.
You are yet another trying to act like "we should only talk about Brexit in the Brexit thread" when this thread is about Dover delays , which are as a DIRECT RESULT of the B-word.

Stop being so utterly dishonest and manipulative to try and force the reality and truth out of the discussion so you can pretend that B****** didn't cause this.

This is such a common trait with those who supported this giant act of self-harm, The utter refusal to admit their choice (and their vote) led to exactly what we see now.

 

[Uther]

This is a thread about Dover. The sad reality is a lot of these problems DO stem from Brexit and the poor agreements that were setup during the negotiations.

To try and "push" this over to the Brexit thread is just another example of people trying to "hide" the realities of Brexit from the general population and the impact it has on things such as the recent issues with Ferry Crossings.
Stop trying to hide the reality of the cause of these problems from the thread. It's dishonest and frankly disgusting.

Like Doobedoo said, I don't care. I'm Irish. You sound very angry.

 

[aVdub]

Now I see why that word was banned at the weekend

 

[Devilman]

Now I see why that word was banned at the weekend

To avoid acknowledging reality? Yeh censorship is great.

 

[Rilot]

To avoid admitting reality? Yeh censorship is great.

No, because it is toxic. By pushing discussion in to SC we can hold posts to a higher standard than "You voted Brexit, you are racist" or "you voted remain, you hate the UK".

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Grow UP.
You are yet another trying to act like "we should only talk about Brexit in the Brexit thread" when this thread is about Dover delays , which are as a DIRECT RESULT of the B-word.

Stop being so utterly dishonest and manipulative to try and force the reality and truth out of the discussion so you can pretend that B****** didn't cause this.

This is such a common trait with those who supported this giant act of self-harm, The utter refusal to admit their choice (and their vote) led to exactly what we see now.

Arrogance as well as ignorance. Grow up yourself.

 

[Devilman]

No, because it is toxic. By pushing discussion in to SC we can hold posts to a higher standard than "You voted Brexit, you are racist" or "you voted remain, you hate the UK".

No, it is not toxic, it is reality. It is the cause of these delays as we are now subject to tighter border control that we were not subject to previously. It only becomes toxic when people throw around comments like you mentioned, which for the most part has not been what was happening.

People have correctly pointed out that a significant portion of these delays we are experiencing is due to the increased level of border control we are now subject to. This is a fact. This is reality. This is not toxic, This is the truth.

What is toxic is people coming along trying to "shoulder-barge" any comment relating to "The B Word" into another thread as if it has no bearing what-so-over on the current events being discussed in this very thread.

 

[dlockers]

People have correctly pointed out that a significant portion of these delays we are experiencing is due to the increased level of border control we are now subject to. This is a fact. This is reality. This is not toxic, This is the truth.

In the midst of your frothing you missed the bit where it is the busiest weekend of the year. Airport delays are due to COVID and the airline industry treating their staff like dirt. The rest of your post is just made up.

Almost none of this is directly or even indirectly caused by Brexit.

 

[Irish_Tom]

In the midst of your frothing you missed the bit where it is the busiest weekend of the year. Airport delays are due to COVID and the airline industry treating their staff like dirt. The rest of your post is just made up.

Almost none of this is directly or even indirectly caused by Brexit.

Except for the closure of parts of the M20 to stack up lorries waiting for customs checks. Or the border officials having to conduct said customs checks leaving less capacity for tourists.

Don't get me wrong, it's not only due to Brexit — there are clearly other pressures (like covid) and we did see similar delays while we were in the EU — but let's not pretended that Brexit hasn't played any part whatsoever. That's just as bad as blaming it exclusively on the B word.

 

[Devilman]

In the midst of your frothing you missed the bit where it is the busiest weekend of the year. Airport delays are due to COVID and the airline industry treating their staff like dirt. The rest of your post is just made up.

Almost none of this is directly or even indirectly caused by Brexit.

which is precisely why I said significant portion is due to the B-word. I did not say "This is entirely and soley down to the B-word".

It is true there is greater demand on the ferries at present due to the effects of staff shortages in the airline industry due to Covid. I fully acknowledge that and agree with it. I would even go as far as to say we would have experienced some level of delays this year at Dover due to the airline issues even if we were still an EU member.

However, It is an indisputable fact that we are subject to lengthier border checks now we are no longer a member of the EU than we used to be as a card-carrying member. As such this will directly impact throughput of the port year-round and has been compounded by the increased demand on the ports due to the airline staffing issues.

So it is impossible to claim that "The B-word" is not a significant factor in the delays being experienced and discussed in this thread.

Would you agree?

 

[Diddums]

No, it is not toxic, it is reality. It is the cause of these delays as we are now subject to tighter border control that we were not subject to previously. It only becomes toxic when people throw around comments like you mentioned, which for the most part has not been what was happening.

People have correctly pointed out that a significant portion of these delays we are experiencing is due to the increased level of border control we are now subject to. This is a fact. This is reality. This is not toxic, This is the truth.

What is toxic is people coming along trying to "shoulder-barge" any comment relating to "The B Word" into another thread as if it has no bearing what-so-over on the current events being discussed in this very thread.

You ever have those farts which seemingly go on for a minute solid, and just as you finish, filled with pride and think you're done, there's that teeny, tiny little wheeze at the end which you're more than capable of holding in but now you're committed so squeeze it out anyway only to have the riskiest, most disappointing little "fweep" come out, which is just a tiny, potentially poo filled blip which just renders the loud vuvuzela-mimicking sound before it as moot? Those ones?

That's what the Brexit discussion is.

 

[dlockers]

which is precisely why I said significant portion is due to the B-word. I did not say "This is entirely and soley down to the B-word".

It is true there is greater demand on the ferries at present due to the effects of staff shortages in the airline industry due to Covid. I fully acknowledge that and agree with it. I would even go as far as to say we would have experienced some level of delays this year at Dover due to the airline issues even if we were still an EU member.

However, It is an indisputable fact that we are subject to lengthier border checks now we are no longer a member of the EU than we used to be as a card-carrying member. As such this will directly impact throughput of the port year-round and has been compounded by the increased demand on the ports due to the airline staffing issues.

So it is impossible to claim that "The B-word" is not a significant factor in the delays being experienced and discussed in this thread.

Would you agree?

It isn't significant as they doubled gates and therefore throughput (albeit at a lower clock speed). It is a bandwidth vs. speed equation.

 

[dlockers]

Except for the closure of parts of the M20 to stack up lorries waiting for customs checks. Or the border officials having to conduct said customs checks leaving less capacity for tourists.

Don't get me wrong, it's not only due to Brexit — there are clearly other pressures (like covid) and we did see similar delays while we were in the EU — but let's not pretended that Brexit hasn't played any part whatsoever. That's just as bad as blaming it exclusively on the B word.

Operation Stack has existed for decades.

 

[Devilman]

You ever have those farts which seemingly go on for a minute solid, and just as you finish, filled with pride and think you're done, there's that teeny, tiny little wheeze at the end which you're more than capable of holding in but now you're committed so squeeze it out anyway only to have the riskiest, most disappointing little "fweep" come out, which is just a tiny, potentially poo filled blip which just renders the loud vuvuzela-mimicking sound before it as moot? Those ones?

That's what the Brexit discussion is.

That's actually a surprisingly apt analogy but probably not for the reasons you think.

The fart already happened and the after-effects are lingering around and stinking up the place and those who supported the fart are desperately trying to waft it away and pretend everything is normal before other people notice.

 

[Diddums]

That's actually a surprisingly apt analogy but probably not for the reasons you think.

The fart already happened and the after-effects are lingering around and stinking up the place and those who supported the fart are desperately trying to waft it away and pretend everything is normal before other people notice.

And everyone moves slightly and gets on with their lives. The end.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Except for the closure of parts of the M20 to stack up lorries waiting for customs checks. Or the border officials having to conduct said customs checks leaving less capacity for tourists.

Inland border facility is in Ashford further up the m20. So it's not that. There is one planned for Dover, but that's not even been built yet.

I watched a news report today live on BBC News with the journalist talking about delays, whist standing in front of the entrance to the port of Dover. Only 4 of the 12 booths open, and not a queue in sight.

 

[sigma]

You ever have those farts which seemingly go on for a minute solid, and just as you finish, filled with pride and think you're done, there's that teeny, tiny little wheeze at the end which you're more than capable of holding in but now you're committed so squeeze it out anyway only to have the riskiest, most disappointing little "fweep" come out, which is just a tiny, potentially poo filled blip which just renders the loud vuvuzela-mimicking sound before it as moot? Those ones?

That's what the Brexit is.

 

[Devilman]

It isn't significant as they doubled gates and therefore throughput (albeit at a lower clock speed). It is a bandwidth vs. speed equation.

The question then becomes... did the increase in gates actually increase throughput enough to offset the increased time it now takes to conduct the border control checks and to be honest, I have no idea if that is true or not. I do not have the numbers to know what the before / after throughput figures are like. I have also not seen the figures to say how much the increase in demand on the ports has been this year compared to an average year (pre-covid) to make the relevant comparison(s).

If it is purely down to an increased demand as more people try to go aboard via ferry this year due to the airline staffing issues, then it would be a natural assumption to conclude that their increase in gates successfully offset the increased time in border control and that's a good thing. If it's not purely down to increased demand however, then it would be a fairly safe assumption to conclude that even with the increase in gates, it has not offset the decrease in throughput caused by the extra time it now takes to conduct the border control checks as a non-EU member.

It is also quite possible that there may be a compounding effect of less ferries available than pre-covid due to similar staffing issues (though perhaps less extreme so not making big headlines) but again, I have not seen any data to compare pre/post covid ferry availability to determine that.