Dr. Disrespect permanently banned from Twitch

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I found the bit where he said" your all potatos" funny, and generally the quick responses to what they are saying, as well as breaking their fake presenting style and saying when are they going to fix the bugs etc
Also the way he is commentating on the right hand player and kinda predicting he would die is kinda his funny style
 
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Looks like Dr D is going to succumb to the "leave it long enough" technique, wher no one will care or argue whatever excuse comes out, lame. I want to hear from him , why isn't he speaking?
 
I still believe it's going to be something business/contract related. Surely anything more sinister would have come out by now with all of the attention around it?
 
4Play said:
I still believe it's going to be something business/contract related. Surely anything more sinister would have come out by now with all of the attention around it?
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I'm not so sure, I think if an investigation is ongoing then they can't speak about it until it's concluded.

I noticed the other day that Method (WoW guild but branched in to all sorts) is likely to collapse after one of their members was finally outed for grooming. They had basically protected him over a 2 year period and refused to do their own investigation. Lots of long term and high ranking members have already left on their own terms and it's unlikely they will be able to rebuild under the same name.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I noticed the other day that Method (WoW guild but branched in to all sorts) is likely to collapse after one of their members was finally outed for grooming. They had basically protected him over a 2 year period and refused to do their own investigation.
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It never amazes me what statements and comments made by the individuals involved and how people twist these things into their own agenda based on "probability" and "how could they not know".

To be clear, senior Method management denied that they were aware of any of this, and took action as soon as these things became clearer in recent weeks. Some of the events that have gone on within Method (there have been numerous) they had been informed of and left these things to the relevant authorities (MethodJosh). That guy's investigation was dropped by the Police and Method tried to get him back on Twitch believing his version of events and that he was innocent. People can be very convincing. It was only after the whole Twitch #metoo did numerous people on the platform get called out by lots of people who hadn't said anything prior. The whole thing has raised awareness within the Twitch community - not just how bad conviction rates are, but how frequent it goes on behind closed doors.

It's good that these people have been called out for their actions, but I feel people love to jump on the bandwagon and blame every single person involved if it promotes a bit of drama. Also, it goes without saying that some people have been called out incorrectly (AngryJoe).
 
It was a bit more than that, the people at the very top of Method had been sent concrete evidence from the victims themselves but they weren't interested in dealing with it at the time. I have no idea how the police have dropped the case when you look at what came out in the past few weeks. To be fair though, it all started when they were a very small team, barely making any money with no HR staff or anything like they have now. There's also an ongoing investigation into another member named Sascha.

I think it's unfair to try and cancel the whole organisation but those are the times we live in and I can't see them coming back under the same name.
 
It might be unfair, but it's got nothing to do with the times we live in, this is a facet of human psychology that has always existed. The credibility of an organisation/group is only as strong as the credibility of it's members/employees, so if one of them is acting immorally in the eyes of society, everyone else is spoiled by association - a bad apple spoils the bunch. A strong organisation that depends on more than it's image should really ought to survive such an event as long as it is transparent about it's structure when dealing with it's members. The main problem for Method is that it's image is pretty much all it has.
 
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Cancel culture is very much a part of the times we live in. 20 years ago the perpetrator would have been outed and vilified but the organisation itself would have been fine, regardless of how they managed the whole thing.

The problem here is it wasn’t just that one situation with Josh. There have been a number of reports and this one looks like it will be the final nail in the coffin. He was kept on board primarily because they would have struggled for that world first without him. Thinking about it like that, it probably isn’t that unfair if the whole thing collapses.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
Cancel culture is very much a part of the times we live in. 20 years ago the perpetrator would have been outed and vilified but the organisation itself would have been fine, regardless of how they managed the whole thing.

The problem here is it wasn’t just that one situation with Josh. There have been a number of reports and this one looks like it will be the final nail in the coffin. He was kept on board primarily because they would have struggled for that world first without him.
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They really didn't, you know. As Bellular put it in his YouTube video on the subject: I can't believe they couldn't have found another healer. Server and faction are irrelevant when you're talking about a guild that size - they could have got literally anyone in the world and paid for their character transfers.
 
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They really didn't, you know. As Bellular put it in his YouTube video on the subject: I can't believe they couldn't have found another healer. Server and faction are irrelevant when you're talking about a guild that size - they could have got literally anyone in the world and paid for their character transfers.
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Well it’s hard to say isn’t it. Finding another healer won’t have been a problem no, finding one who performed at the same level, maybe. He was considered their best healer and world firsts were made on the tiniest of margins, changing an important member could set you back days. That being said in the grand scheme of things video game world firsts mean very little and the organisation would have managed just fine if they didn’t world first that specific raid.

Method weren’t massive when the original report came about. Sco put a video up saying he was funding it solely himself through twitch and some of his own money at that stage. Why they didn’t get rid of him last year when the same accusations cropped up again is the question.
 
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.Lethal said:
This has been addressed, and repeated so many times.
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It wasn't just circulating on social media, they were directly contacted by people in the WoW community and were even sent logs of his private messages within the game. Using the excuse of "we weren't aware of the extent" is a **** poor attempt at trying to cover their tracks.

Posting two statements after everything came to light doesn't address anything, unfortunately. Sco is trying his best to save the organisation he worked 15 years on to build. It must be brutal putting your trust in someone and having them tear down everything you've worked on, then admitting there were several opportunities to get rid of him in hindsight. The way they are acting is like he was some kind of master manipulator.

I'll happily discuss this in another thread instead of taking this one off-topic.

 
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Ayahuasca said:
It wasn't just circulating on social media, they were directly contacted by people in the WoW community and were even sent logs of his private messages within the game. Using the excuse of "we weren't aware of the extent" is a **** poor attempt at trying to cover their tracks.

Posting two statements after everything came to light doesn't address anything, unfortunately. Sco is trying his best to save the organisation he worked 15 years on to build. It must be brutal putting your trust in someone and having them tear down everything you've worked on, then admitting there were several opportunities to get rid of him in hindsight. The way they are acting is like he was some kind of master manipulator.

I'll happily discuss this in another thread instead of taking this one off-topic.
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Coming in here telling us otherwise with no source shows no credibility to anything you've said. This is purely speculation based on what anyone interested in WoW or someone who watches Twitch has already seen.

When you have the Police investigating that should be enough.

What you've seen is screenshots from Livestreamfails, Twitlonger's by those directly involved and personal accounts from those associated via social media and their own Twitch accounts. You don't have new information that has been ignored or isn't already public knowledge. But you sure have jumped to your own conclusions.
 
I didn’t pretend I had new information. I’m simply stating that I and the majority of the WoW community believe they knew more than they’re letting on in those statements. Those statements alone aren’t good counter evidence unless you only want to listen to their side of the story and ignore verified Twitter accounts like the one above? Slasher isn’t going to put his neck on the line if he doesn’t truly believe there’s more to this than meets the eye. Preach also questioned them at events multiple times over Josh’s behaviour and they brushed it off like it was nothing.

The police investigation wasn’t enough, not with the track record they have in this country of prosecuting for online-grooming and even rape :/ They were a major guild who had young adults and likely even children as members, you need to be doing more than taking someone’s word for it after being presented with several creepy accounts of behaviour against them.

I haven’t jumped to a conclusion, he could be innocent of the worst act he’s been alleged to have committed. What’s undeniable though with what’s came out, is that he’s sent some very disturbing messages that go back more than a year, to younger girls in game or through social media apps. Unless you believe every one of those images has been tampered with and Blizzard employees are just making things up?
 
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I didn’t pretend I had new information. I’m simply stating they knew more than they’re letting on. Posting a couple of recent statements isn’t evidence either unless you just want to listen to their side of the story and ignore verified tweets like the one above?

The police investigation alone wasn’t enough, not with the track record they have in this country of prosecuting for online abuse and even rape :/
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Absolutely question these things. However, without evidence it all comes down to speculative theory, not facts.

Slashers tweet that "former" Blizzard employees knew more begs the question why a company like Blizzard didn't notify the authorities of illegal activity throughout an on going investigation. However, claiming a tweet as verified is nonsense. It sounds a lot like CM's that were friends by association had heard stories about these events as they happened, like many others knew outside of the organisation. Since we have nothing to show us otherwise, we can only speculate on these things.

Method have to take accountability and learn from it, but going as far as calling them implicit by withholding information, couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Well it’s hard to say isn’t it. Finding another healer won’t have been a problem no, finding one who performed at the same level, maybe. He was considered their best healer and world firsts were made on the tiniest of margins, changing an important member could set you back days. That being said in the grand scheme of things video game world firsts mean very little and the organisation would have managed just fine if they didn’t world first that specific raid.

Method weren’t massive when the original report came about. Sco put a video up saying he was funding it solely himself through twitch and some of his own money at that stage. Why they didn’t get rid of him last year when the same accusations cropped up again is the question.
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Same for any game like that - there are techniques and ability to read the game that are so important that not just anyone will grasp at a high level of play that can make a huge difference however I've never played with a group who'd even consider putting that above any kind of seriously illegal or undesirable behaviour.
 
.Lethal said:
Absolutely question these things. However, without evidence it all comes down to speculative theory, not facts.

Slashers tweet that "former" Blizzard employees knew more begs the question why a company like Blizzard didn't notify the authorities of illegal activity throughout an on going investigation. However, claiming a tweet as verified is nonsense. It sounds a lot like CM's that were friends by association had heard stories about these events as they happened, like many others knew outside of the organisation. Since we have nothing to show us otherwise, we can only speculate on these things.

Method have to take accountability and learn from it, but going as far as calling them implicit by withholding information, couldn't be further from the truth.
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The only way you’re going to get the evidence you want to see is if Method go fully transparent and release the messages they were sent about his behaviour. They didn’t state that they weren’t aware of it, the statement says “of the extent”. How much more did they need to see before taking action?

I think what people are questioning is whether they’ve taken full accountability for what happened as the main statement they released suggests otherwise. They would have been within their rights to withhold information about him to the public when a police investigation was ongoing. Just as they haven’t released details on what Sascha is being investigated for. The organisation is tainted and it’s unlikely any learning will be done under that name. Some individuals might learn from it and form something new but that’s about it.
 
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