E-Scooter discussion after fatal collision

Threepwood · 23 Jul 2019 at 20:08

Its a slippy road policing some things and not others though... but I totally agree there are loads of things that really need updating.... so many people do those things already it just seems daft, all while the country is losing out on money it could be making from them.

Moomalade · 23 Jul 2019 at 20:19

b0rn2sk8 said:
I don't think anyone is asking to ride them on pavements, just like no one should be riding bikes on a pavement. Bike lanes and roads are more than fine with similar rules to e-bikes or cycling in general (aka 250W and don't be a menace).

Exactly. Talking about them as ‘motorised vehicles’ akin to a car or motorbike is dogmatic binary thinking. The e-scooter is obviously more related to a bike or electric bike in terms of weight and capability. Certainly the majority are and I would welcome a weight and speed cap regulation.

In any case, there’s not going to be any law change without a need demonstrated, and that demonstration is mass numbers of the general public deciding to push this mode of transport in spite of the outdated law.

englishpremier · 23 Jul 2019 at 20:30

If anything the Government should be setting sensible limits and promoting the use of transport such as e-biles and scooters. Getting people out of their houses, out of their cars (for shorter journeys). Even British Territories are allowing them, just not the mainland with it's 'Island mentality'

Drafting legislation should be hard, they have the likes of France, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Germany, USA (some states) to look to for decent caps and regulations.

I cant post photos · 23 Jul 2019 at 20:34

They are absolutely everywhere in Chelsea and Kensington. Some of the riders have some serious balls too, riding them on very busy roads with headphones in, I've had to stand on my brakes a few times because of them. I can guarantee at least on two occasions if I was an old duffer (like 90% of the people on those roads, in their G wagons and Cayennes) I'd have squashed them, they are only in one piece thanks to me being such an amazing driver with the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose.

UberTiger · 23 Jul 2019 at 21:38

Diddums said:
they are only in one piece thanks to me being such an amazing driver with the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose.

[FnG]magnolia · 23 Jul 2019 at 22:46

JunglistE said:
I know my friend, and now me, have electric unicycles.

Just LOL if you're not dressed in full clown regalia on your electric unicycle on your way to work which is the circus because that's really all you're capable of doing and even your stupid clown hat is only just suitable and that's the easiest thing to get right, also look at your shoes you're not even trying any more, and also finally your unicycle looks like a children's toy made out of Fisher Price leftovers you moron, you utter degenerate.

Noobs.

Junglist · 24 Jul 2019 at 10:22

[FnG]magnolia said:
Just LOL if you're not dressed in full clown regalia on your electric unicycle on your way to work which is the circus because that's really all you're capable of doing and even your stupid clown hat is only just suitable and that's the easiest thing to get right, also look at your shoes you're not even trying any more, and also finally your unicycle looks like a children's toy made out of Fisher Price leftovers you moron, you utter degenerate.

Noobs.

Who was it that put that colossal amount of sand in your vagina? Unless a man who rode a Unicycle ruined your happy home I have no idea what your reaction is about.

Malt_Vinegar · 24 Jul 2019 at 12:13

No one looks good on a unicycle. Fact

Dis86 · 24 Jul 2019 at 12:19

Malt_Vinegar said:
No one looks good on a unicycle. Fact

Correct, there's a reason clowns ride them. Because they're a joke.

Junglist · 24 Jul 2019 at 12:20

Malt_Vinegar said:
No one looks good on a unicycle. Fact

I don't think grown ups on electrical scooters look any better yet here we are.

I don't really have the time to worry about what people think I look like on my way to work. If it's quicker and cheaper than driving and has less effort than cycling, it's a win in my eyes

[FnG]magnolia · 24 Jul 2019 at 13:20

JunglistE said:
I don't think grown ups on electrical scooters look any better yet here we are.

I don't really have the time to worry about what people think I look like on my way to work. If it's quicker and cheaper than driving and has less effort than cycling, it's a win in my eyes

Just LOL if you look down for confirmation rather than up and settle for an arguably even lower grade parallel of electric scooters as a reason for your awful life choices driven by the need to conform with circus idealogy and you are still wearing a nice hat for a clown to wear to the circus and your shoes don't even make PARPING noises when you squeeze them.

Junglist · 24 Jul 2019 at 13:23

[FnG]magnolia said:
Just LOL if you look down for confirmation rather than up and settle for an arguably even lower grade parallel of electric scooters as a reason for your awful life choices driven by the need to conform with circus idealogy and you are still wearing a nice hat for a clown to wear to the circus and your shoes don't even make PARPING noises when you squeeze them.

I think that's quite enough sun for you today. Go find some shade and drink some water, think you're losing the plot.

Hotwired · 24 Jul 2019 at 13:24

Maybe someone needs to say it but wtf are you posting like that for.

Zatoichi.uK · 24 Jul 2019 at 14:12

I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I had the kind of commute that warranted one. Probably not in London though as I'd rather not end up under a lorry thanks.

TheVoice · 24 Jul 2019 at 14:40

Wzd said:
What I did say is they're wasting police resources that could be better used elsewhere, and knife crime was "an example" of many.

You said they're putting more effort into electric scooter offences than more serious areas such as knife crime. Two more posts later and you're still unable to evidence that claim.

Because it's nonsense.

Wzd · 24 Jul 2019 at 15:44

TheVoice said:
You said they're putting more effort into electric scooter offences than more serious areas such as knife crime. Two more posts later and you're still unable to evidence that claim.

Because it's nonsense.

All this week they've had police officers out in groups stopping anyone on an electric scooter, issuing warnings, fines, and in some cases confiscating thousands of pounds worth of equipment. I'm sure that man power and time could have been better spent elsewhere. Maybe it's not happening where you live, but here in London it is.

Werewolf · 24 Jul 2019 at 17:09

Wzd said:
All this week they've had police officers out in groups stopping anyone on an electric scooter, issuing warnings, fines, and in some cases confiscating thousands of pounds worth of equipment. I'm sure that man power and time could have been better spent elsewhere. Maybe it's not happening where you live, but here in London it is.

Maybe because they've decided that after a death it might be time to instruct some officers to keep an eye on the escooters?

A bit like after a spate of deaths of cyclists in London (that had the cycling community screaming about how dangerous the trucks were), the police had a bit of a crack down on trucks not being careful and cyclists being stupid and ignoring the highway code (from memory they ended up with far more cyclists getting a chat/fine than drivers).

It's almost like after a highly preventable death the police have responded by trying to educate people about a law the public might not be aware of, and enforce it.

Ocean Breeze · 24 Jul 2019 at 17:12

You can’t stop the tide. The electric revolution is here. Go to Paris, electric scooters everywhere.

Wzd · 24 Jul 2019 at 17:39

Werewolf said:
Maybe because they've decided that after a death it might be time to instruct some officers to keep an eye on the escooters?

A bit like after a spate of deaths of cyclists in London (that had the cycling community screaming about how dangerous the trucks were), the police had a bit of a crack down on trucks not being careful and cyclists being stupid and ignoring the highway code (from memory they ended up with far more cyclists getting a chat/fine than drivers).

It's almost like after a highly preventable death the police have responded by trying to educate people about a law the public might not be aware of, and enforce it.

True. Though one of the key points in Emily Hartridge's accident is her electric scooter hit a bump in the cycle lane and she fell into the path of a passing lorry. There's been no crack-down or media outcry into the state of public roads and cycle ways. This unfortunate accident could have easily happened to anyone cycling, running or walking near a busy road.

Malt_Vinegar · 24 Jul 2019 at 18:00

Wzd said:
True. Though one of the key points in Emily Hartridge's accident is her electric scooter hit a bump in the cycle lane and she fell into the path of a passing lorry. There's been no crack-down or media outcry into the state of public roads and cycle ways. This unfortunate accident could have easily happened to anyone cycling, running or walking near a busy road.

Not likely, the small wheel size was most likely a contributory factor in this case. There is a reason road and mtb bikes have nice big wheels

That's one of the reasons they are not really safe for the public highways at the moment.