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EBD ban.
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Polo, jeans and trainers ok? I might be able to stretch to a shirt and some shoes lol
It seems to me that the FIA don't want the title race to be finished so early on the season. So, in order to make the title race last as long as possible, they are handicapping the RBR car. It's not the first time this has happened.
Lest we not forget that F1/FIA values its audiences and high viewing figures. They would throw a team out of the championship, if it would help viewing figures.
Still, RBR shouldn't be disheartened. Vettel has a massive lead in the title race and even if other cars catch up and become much faster than the RBR, they will have one heck of a task on their hands.
Based on the last 2 races, RBR, Ferrari and McLaren have similar race pace. I say that RBR are 3rd now (with respect to race pace), behind Ferrari and McLaren, but not by much.
It's interesting to see just how the RBR cars have been caught over the course of the last 6 races. In race1, RBR were imperious, while in the last 2 races, though Vettel was leading, he was being harried by a Ferrari (in Monaco) and McLaren (in Canada, who eventually passed him).
As Nuts has stated, other teams also use the EBD system, so don't expect RBR to all of a sudden, go backwards. They've got other tricks up their sleeves and other teams will also have to take a performance hit (despite what McLaren claim).
oh dear, calm down dear...
obviously not bothered at all then...
The only bad thing about this is that it took the FIA so long to realise what was going on.
Seems very similar to the fan car issue to me.
they probably started looking more closely that's all.
The whole thing stinks. July last year people were writing about EBD. To claim they didn't know the effects is laughable. Typically the FIA wait until a load of people spend money trying to do the same then they ban it.
Just like they were warned about the DD diffuser, did nothing, everyone copies, ban it.
Great money saving ideas, spend and ban.
They obviously initially assumed the speed was coming from the front wing and failed to ban that, this was next. Had Mclaren been 1 sec per lap faster last year they would have banned the f duct as a moveable aero device, which lets face it is far closer to that rule than EBD.
I understand they may now have got their head around what's happening and may not like it. Fair enough that's what 2012 regs can be written for. This could be an advance warning so no one goes and builds 2012 around it and carry on.
If there has ever been a time to sand bag and hide pace in f1 it's now because if you turn up with an invention that put's your car on the front row consistently they will ban it. Get in the lead and sandbag maintaining a 10 second or less gap and fool the FIA into thinking races are close.
I want Vettel to win 12+ races this year even past Silverstone as two fingers up to the goal post movers. That hurt to say it
Double the points on the next car please as well.
Just like they were warned about the DD diffuser, did nothing, everyone copies, ban it.
Great money saving ideas, spend and ban.
They obviously initially assumed the speed was coming from the front wing and failed to ban that, this was next. Had Mclaren been 1 sec per lap faster last year they would have banned the f duct as a moveable aero device, which lets face it is far closer to that rule than EBD.
I understand they may now have got their head around what's happening and may not like it. Fair enough that's what 2012 regs can be written for. This could be an advance warning so no one goes and builds 2012 around it and carry on.
If there has ever been a time to sand bag and hide pace in f1 it's now because if you turn up with an invention that put's your car on the front row consistently they will ban it. Get in the lead and sandbag maintaining a 10 second or less gap and fool the FIA into thinking races are close.
I want Vettel to win 12+ races this year even past Silverstone as two fingers up to the goal post movers. That hurt to say it
Double the points on the next car please as well.Perhaps it was Hispania who kicked the FIA into doing something about the EBD?
Dannyjo, I understand you don't like the idea of moving goal posts, but the FIA have (based on past form), do whatever it takes to make the championship more exciting. They manipulate the title race and do whatever they can to ensure that the title race goes down to the final race of the season. This ensures that they get good audiences throughout the season. It does make sense.
I also think that it is folly to assume that the FIA do not know everything that is going on. I believe they know way more than we (forumites and F1 fans), know about all the different trick pieces which teams are using.
The FIA are not a bunch of idiots. The are intelligent people who consist of those will good technical knowledge. Any technical stuff they don't about, they get advice on. They are clued up.
For sure, they want to ensure that the title race remains interesting throughout the year and judging by the past few years, they have nailed their remit of ensuring the title race goes down to the wire, on every year.
The fact that they are banning/reducing the EBD, means that perhaps they are concerned at the level of advantage which Vettel has gained and feel that if they allow it to go on any longer, Vettel will win the title with many races to spare - something which is not desirable.
Dannyjo, I understand you don't like the idea of moving goal posts, but the FIA have (based on past form), do whatever it takes to make the championship more exciting. They manipulate the title race and do whatever they can to ensure that the title race goes down to the final race of the season. This ensures that they get good audiences throughout the season. It does make sense.
I also think that it is folly to assume that the FIA do not know everything that is going on. I believe they know way more than we (forumites and F1 fans), know about all the different trick pieces which teams are using.
The FIA are not a bunch of idiots. The are intelligent people who consist of those will good technical knowledge. Any technical stuff they don't about, they get advice on. They are clued up.
For sure, they want to ensure that the title race remains interesting throughout the year and judging by the past few years, they have nailed their remit of ensuring the title race goes down to the wire, on every year.
The fact that they are banning/reducing the EBD, means that perhaps they are concerned at the level of advantage which Vettel has gained and feel that if they allow it to go on any longer, Vettel will win the title with many races to spare - something which is not desirable.
I don't think you really understand what the engine was doing.
come on then explain it to me because I don't believe you.
In all honestly what would be the point, I didn't come up with the idea and would just been rewording what I have read happening from Scarbs and Allen wrote a decent piece in it this week. I'm as good as anyone reading technical websites on f1
I'm pretty sure my engineer creditials stand up to understanding how they were blowing the diffuser.
I think they want to keep the cornering speeds under control? We've seen some very quick laps again this year (obviously not just down to EBD), so the quick method the FIA are looking for is to just restrict it. It really should have either gone before this season started or left in place though.
In order to reduce cornering speeds, the FIA could've banned any number of devices. However, they have chosen to ban a device which many people feel is going to effect the RBR, the most.
McLaren believe that once the ban comes in to place, the RBR car may give up about 0.5s/lap, in qualifying. We just have to wait and see if this is true.
McLaren believe that once the ban comes in to place, the RBR car may give up about 0.5s/lap, in qualifying. We just have to wait and see if this is true.
I honestly can't agree with you on that.
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I think the issue the FIA has is something unavoidable with this type of racing. They do not design the cars. It isn't as if the FIA build a car, test it, and go back to debriefs and say, well this bit works too well, tone it down. This bit could do with some work, that parts fine etc etc. Then release notes based on there findings. Not suggesting there firing blind, as said the can consult on things they don't know, but ultimately there only publishing guides and its up to the teams to interpret those rules. Therefore, I don't think you can really accuse the FIA of being incompetent.
If we where using stock chassis, engines, aero etc, you could easily pick out and say, get that off the car. Each car is an ever evolving prototype.
I don't really buy into the conspiracy theory other than the FIA probably now realize that the RBR dominance has way to many echoes of the schumi/ferrari years (and true other teams and drivers have dominated aswell) and are trying to spice it up a little.
Wasn't it in 2009 when the new rules came in that the whole field was covered by 1.5 seconds in quali (I think it was Turkey). RBR where practically pulling that out between 1st and 2nd at the start of the season.
It doesn't make for good TV (especially with that little **** SV winning all the time
).
If we where using stock chassis, engines, aero etc, you could easily pick out and say, get that off the car. Each car is an ever evolving prototype.
I don't really buy into the conspiracy theory other than the FIA probably now realize that the RBR dominance has way to many echoes of the schumi/ferrari years (and true other teams and drivers have dominated aswell) and are trying to spice it up a little.
Wasn't it in 2009 when the new rules came in that the whole field was covered by 1.5 seconds in quali (I think it was Turkey). RBR where practically pulling that out between 1st and 2nd at the start of the season.
It doesn't make for good TV (especially with that little **** SV winning all the time
).In all honestly what would be the point, I didn't come up with the idea and would just been rewording what I have read happening from Scarbs and Allen wrote a decent piece in it this week. I'm as good as anyone reading technical websites on f1
I'm pretty sure my engineer creditials stand up to understanding how they were blowing the diffuser.
I think not
Just looks like the fia are just closing a loop hole... Some teams got an advantage but I don't think for a second they thought they were developing something within the rules, just a fuzzy area that would take the fia months to agree to close down.