EE - 4G

dasyad said:
If you have your phone now I'd be spending all day on the sofa :p

Let us know what they say on Tuesday :)
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mate, I am spending all day on the sofa- planning on watching the canada cup live stream on twitch tv :)

My phone is currently being used by my daughter to play some pumpkin haloween game :confused:
 
shuzzbutt said:
This is where I disagree. I don't think the experience is consistent enough. Sometimes my webpages load quickly and at other times they are very slow. I live 11 miles from the centre of London so coverage is not an issue I have a strong 3g signal pretty much constantly yet the speed is very inconsistent IMO.

I am hoping wih 4g I will get a more consistent browsing experience. I am getting 4g precisely to have as slick a web browsing experience as possible.
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You assume that 4G coverage will be better than your 3G coverage, I think its unlikely. At 11 miles out of London I reckon you are probably out the current coverage area, when you will be covered remains to be seen.
 
I'd hope not. Places like Watford and Epping at about 20 miles out of London (assuming Bank is around the centre) look likely to be covered. It looks like pretty much anywhere inside the M25 should be okay according to the coverage maps.
 
Crafty said:
You assume that 4G coverage will be better than your 3G coverage, I think its unlikely. At 11 miles out of London I reckon you are probably out the current coverage area, when you will be covered remains to be seen.
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i did the postcode (croydon) check and it seems to think im ok- i guess all will be revealed on tuesday! :)
 
Be interested in your findings as Im in Croydon and was considering a SIM only deal if they are any good once my lumia 920 comes through...
 
Crafty said:
You assume that 4G coverage will be better than your 3G coverage, I think its unlikely. At 11 miles out of London I reckon you are probably out the current coverage area, when you will be covered remains to be seen.
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Looks like at 1800Mhz a cell has a radius of around 14km. Wonder how many cells they will be using..
 
How does this 800Mhz vs 1800Mhz work for those in the know?

Better indoor coverage vs outdoors? Why are EE using the 1800Mhz bandwidth as opposed to Vodafone using the 800Mhz.
 
Morfik said:
I'm curious where most of you think the average user will suddenly jump from 1Gb to 20Gb or some usage >8Gb as soon as they get 4G?

The average user is likely an employed person who commutes to work and uses his phone for email, Facebook, web browsing. In the typical day are all these people suddenly going to stop working and stream Netflix 24/7, are they going to disable wifi at home as they'd don't need it anymore?

Perhaps your argument is that the average person doesn't need 4G then, but why shouldn't they have the benefit of doing these things faster? What most of you on this forum want to do is push the network to its limit but will you really do all that streaming? Not to be rude but does the average user sit around for hours streaming content to their phone? And if you do you aren't an average user you're a power user and should pay a premium for doing so - get the 8Gb tariff and pay for addons if you go over that.
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I bet if we'd had the same kinds of speed and data caps on broadband you'd have seen vastly reduced bandwidth usage there too. Do you think that would have been a good or bad thing for us?

I just can't get away from thinking these packages are doing more for the company selling them than the person buying them, I really don't want the UK to move closer to the crappy deals they have in America.
 
Dimi said:
How does this 800Mhz vs 1800Mhz work for those in the know?

Better indoor coverage vs outdoors? Why are EE using the 1800Mhz bandwidth as opposed to Vodafone using the 800Mhz.
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The lower the frequency the better the coverage/penetration through objects, both outdoor and indoor.
 
Its amazing how many still don't get it, the 4g is not aimed at at people who want to download all day on their phone. 80% of our customer use less then 1GB.
The 4g is working great apart from the day i pressed the "DO NOT USE" tarrif ops lol my bad
 
BigBruiserAl said:
Its amazing how many still don't get it, the 4g is not aimed at at people who want to download all day on their phone. 80% of our customer use less then 1GB.
The 4g is working great apart from the day i pressed the "DO NOT USE" tarrif ops lol my bad
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You don't get it, they advertise things like video streaming. If they did not advertise these things fair enough, but they are. The data limits are not adequate for the usage they themsefls suggest you do on it.

4g is squarely aimed at people who use high bandwidth. As seen by there advertising and their counterparts in Europe.

Hardly anyone can get 4g and those who can, you would be brain dead to get it over 3G with these tariffs, if you use less than 1gb you have no need for it.

How do I stream video on any off their tariffs?
 
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Has anyone heard anything about pre-ordering? I'm guessing now we've close to Tuesday 30th it'll be ordering online/going in store on Tuesday 30th, not pre-ordering online before for delivery on Tuesday 30th...
 
BigBruiserAl said:
Its amazing how many still don't get it, the 4g is not aimed at at people who want to download all day on their phone. 80% of our customer use less then 1GB.
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Hmm I dont agree with that, from your business perspective yes 4G is all about getting as many custoemrs squeezed into the bandwidth you provide, but I think the average person expects a better service overall and this just doesnt mean just speed.

Can you imagine when broadband came out it was restricted to narrowband usage when paying a comparable rate? It seems ridiculous to consider that but basically saying here have 4G but we expect you to use it like its 3G but its faster is really short-changing the customer especially as, as far as Im aware 4G rollout doesnt appear to be costing anywhere near what 3G did including network infrastructure changes.

I hope competition next year changes this, I personally cant see the benefit to the early adopter especially once you are locked into a contract that overlaps with when competitors are providing a similar product. I might be naive in thinking the grass will be greener, but lets be honest it cant be much tougher than what EE are providing...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Agree or not its fact mate, big domestic users are a tiny % in the market. The product is 1st to the market by a long way so prices were bound to be more :)
The key point is for 80% of people they can do the same amount browsing at faster speeds for £xx more. Is them need to decided it it worth it? the power users can stay on 3G+ and munch on the unlimited :)
 
No one was expecting it to be cheap.
Domestic uses changes, one of the European 4g providers have said their average user uses 15GB a month. More importantly they are advertising video streaming.

It's useless for web-browsing. You aren't going to see much if any difference in load times and that's if your in one of the tiny 4g areas to begin with.

Don't worry I will stick to 3G but they have massively shot themselfs in the feet. There's a few people who would be willing to sign up to above market price for two years as they are first to market. Instead there face book and everything else gets trashed, by public opinion that their tariffs are terriable.
 
BigBruiserAl said:
Agree or not its fact mate, big domestic users are a tiny % in the market. The product is 1st to the market by a long way so prices were bound to be more :)
The key point is for 80% of people they can do the same amount browsing at faster speeds for £xx more. Is them need to decided it it worth it? the power users can stay on 3G+ and munch on the unlimited :)
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Enjoy the short term influx of customers then - I foresee an exodus of customers once competition arrives (though theres quite a good chance it wont :p the telecomms companies arent far off the utilities in that respect).

Im amazed your company envisages/expects no change in customer behaviour (though I assume some customer service for existing customers in tailoring their movement) or that hard caps are acceptable, especially when customers moving over from like to like usage plans. Its a difficult pill to swallow especially as the way its been advertised isnt far off from being misleading IMO...

Price isnt the issue at all, any attempt at value (by value I dont mean cheap) or actual improvements outside of speed actually would have been very warmly received. I doubt anyone here would have been irked by paying substantially more, but in reality theyd expect a substantially better service too, being able to view webpages faster just doesnt fully encompass that more being able to use the media enriched web like we do at home is probably not far off the a domestic users expectation. Im sure existing 4G usage from other providers in other countries serves to illustrate that...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
edgedemon said:
Be interested in your findings as Im in Croydon and was considering a SIM only deal if they are any good once my lumia 920 comes through...
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Croydon has/had a decent amount of Orange infrastructure there (GGSN I think) so coverage was always pretty good around there.
Dimi said:
How does this 800Mhz vs 1800Mhz work for those in the know?
Better indoor coverage vs outdoors? Why are EE using the 1800Mhz bandwidth as opposed to Vodafone using the 800Mhz.
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They are using 1800 because they got it for free. Voda will use whatever they buy, this will be either 800, 2600 or a combination of both. There are benefits to both ranges but I'm banking on the 2600 being popular for small mesh cell topologies going forward (Voda LOVES spidercloud)

The Voda deal on the other page isn't great (it's also a great way to assure businesses) but neither is EE charging £150 for an LTE variant of an SGS3 :/
 
http://www.vodafone.co.uk/personal/price-plans/vodafone-4g/vodafone-4g-promise/index.htm From a few pages back, basically a contract restarter for 30% of outstanding contract but entitles to free LTE phone. A weak proposition but only the rich would do it anyway.

Al, I had a play before i left EE if that counts but it's not really the same with the test network. I work for the red side now, but not for the UK market. I think I saw the engineers putting up the eNB stuff at my local mast in Swindon a few days ago though, glad to see coverage is continuing to grow.
 
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