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[cheesefest]

I have a Bosch washing machine. The eco plus programme is 4 hours 32 mins plus spinning time. Putting the same programme on speed perfect is 1 hour plus spinning.Without speed perfect, it lasts 1 hour 46 mins plus spinning.

Who uses programmes that take all morning to do a load? Plus I don’t think it’s that eco. Can’t find my instructions. So reckon the use in leccy is not much saved in 4.5 hours v 1 hour on quick.

 

[krooton]

I have a Bosch washing machine. The eco plus programme is 4 hours 32 mins plus spinning time. Putting the same programme on speed perfect is 1 hour plus spinning.Without speed perfect, it lasts 1 hour 46 mins plus spinning.

Who uses programmes that take all morning to do a load? Plus I don’t think it’s that eco. Can’t find my instructions. So reckon the use in leccy is not much saved in 4.5 hours v 1 hour on quick.

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What does eco mode actually do?​

When it comes to washing machines and dishwashers – the appliances where you’re most likely to find an eco-setting – there are three factors at play: time, temperature and water. Every single setting on your appliance, whether it’s a ‘quick wash’ or a specialist ‘synthetics cycle’ will be some permutation of these three elements.


So, if you choose a cycle designed for heavily soiled clothes, your machine will run for longer at a higher temperature, and use more water. Choose an eco-setting, on the other hand, and the machine will use lower wash and rinse temperatures, so less energy is required for heating.


It might sound counterintuitive, but eco mode cycles are often longer than their regular counterparts. This is because the bulk of energy used by the machine comes from heating the water – the electricity needed to turn the drum or power the sprayers is comparatively much less. If the wash cycle is longer, the water doesn’t need to be heated up as much as shorter programmes.


There is no standard for appliance eco modes, however – every brand and appliance will have a different combination of time, temperature and water parameters to achieve those additional energy savings. As such, the eco mode button is designed to be the go-to for environmentally-conscious owners of that particular make and model.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I have a Bosch washing machine. The eco plus programme is 4 hours 32 mins plus spinning time. Putting the same programme on speed perfect is 1 hour plus spinning.Without speed perfect, it lasts 1 hour 46 mins plus spinning.

Who uses programmes that take all morning to do a load? Plus I don’t think it’s that eco. Can’t find my instructions. So reckon the use in leccy is not much saved in 4.5 hours v 1 hour on quick.

you may be surprised. as for who uses long programs... I do. perfect for putting on timer over night on cheap energy or just put on and forget about.
my dishwasher takes 3.5hrs and on a towel load my tumble drier takes 3 hrs as well.

I can say with certainty (because since getting solar I watch my energy closely) my tumble drier despite taking an HR longer than my old one uses a fraction of the energy, and my dishwasher uses a lot less power on eco than intense (it's version of fast)

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I have a Bosch washing machine. The eco plus programme is 4 hours 32 mins plus spinning time. Putting the same programme on speed perfect is 1 hour plus spinning.Without speed perfect, it lasts 1 hour 46 mins plus spinning.

Who uses programmes that take all morning to do a load? Plus I don’t think it’s that eco. Can’t find my instructions. So reckon the use in leccy is not much saved in 4.5 hours v 1 hour on quick.

I do, it takes less energy and water to complete the cycle. It adds up over the coarse of a year. It’s not like you sit in front of the machine waiting for it to run…

The faster cycles work by washing less but using more water. Most of the energy goes into heating the water.

The longer cycles use less water but wash for longer and overall use less energy.

The ‘A+’ energy rating only applies to the eco cycle, not the others.

The same applies to heat pump driers, they take twice as long to dry but use a lot less energy.

 

[413x]

On my washing machine you can set temp and spin independently of the program. So eco mode isn't really required (not sure if there is an eco)

White wash always lasts an age and delicates is always short. It defaults to a spin/temp but can be changed.

Dishwasher has an eco and it's 3 hours. The kWh used and litres of water are in the manual and it is noticeable. The normal is much more energy consuming.

3 hours is fine for me. Its a whole day before I need the stuff anyway.

It has so many settings. Most I've never used.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

On my washing machine you can set temp and spin independently of the program. So eco mode isn't really required (not sure if there is an eco)

You can on the eco settings on most machines, the trade off is water use against time compared to the standard programme.

Less water means less to heat and less to spin and overall less energy use but it takes longer.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

First bill came through that included 7 days on the new tariff. £42 electricity and £6 gas for those 7 days. That’s not too bad, but only because I’ve made a lot of adjustments throughout the house and also with us all home at the moment. Since we’re used to using a lot of electricity our cut backs should negate most of the increase.

 

[SDK^]

On my washing machine you can set temp and spin independently of the program. So eco mode isn't really required (not sure if there is an eco)

I can see from my solar home use graphs that Eco mode on my washing machine and dishwasher is not just about max temp, but the number of heat cycles, more heat cycles uses more energy.

• Eco Mode - 1 heat cycle
• Standard modes - 3+ heat cycles

 

[jpaul]

washing machines - unless you have compared modes with a power consumption meter all bets are off.
gadget show did an interesting heat pump dryer comparison with best real world energy/drying results from a cheaper hotpoint , maybe that was a newer hybrid heat pump that are more efficient though ... I don't have a which subscription to see if they make similar washer comparisons.

washing machines, if you fill them right up, don't wash as well, biological powders(with enzymes) that work at lower temps also kill any wool & fade stuff, so there are other trade-offs.

It's like range on electric vehicles or mpg, ymmv.

 

[Puzzled]

Energy bills will hit £4,266 for a typical household by January next year, warns consultancy Cornwall Insight.
That's a rise of £650 for households in England, Scotland and Wales compared with its estimate just last week.
Cornwall cited regulator Ofgem's decision to change the price cap every three months instead of six and higher wholesale prices for the sharp jump.
The warning comes as the government rejects calls for further help on bills until a new prime minister is in place.
In its latest report, Cornwall has also increased its forecast for this autumn's typical domestic energy bills to £3,582, up from its previous prediction of £3,358.
The latest price cap - the maximum amount suppliers can charge customers for average energy usage in England, Scotland and Wales for October - is due to be announced at the end of this month.

Energy bills forecast to hit over £4,200 a year

The average household could pay £355 a month, up from £164 currently, consultancy Cornwall Insight warns.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just keeps going higher and higher

 

[bailes550]

That’s shocking. Cheers for the ofgem for making things a bad situation even worse.

 

[413x]

It's going to be an apocalypse if government don't prop it up.

Anything short of the lib dem thing I saw where government absorbs everything over a set amount is going to break the system.


Higher it goes the more risk of complete failure. What if every supplier fails? I mean how much loss (people not paying) can they take before they quit?

What even happens then?

I'm assuming the majority of Europe is in the same boat

 

[SDK^]

Energy bills forecast to hit over £4,200 a year

The average household could pay £355 a month, up from £164 currently, consultancy Cornwall Insight warns.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just keeps going higher and higher

The April 23 forecast is £4,700

 

[McBain]

If it was ridiculous before, what is it come this time next year? Meanwhile the energy companies keep making huge profits. Can't wait.

 

[SDK^]

That’s shocking. Cheers for the ofgem for making things a bad situation even worse.

Ofgem have made mistakes but they don't exist to subsidise the UK energy market - If energy prices go up there is nothing they can do.

 

[n111ck]

It's going to be an apocalypse if government don't prop it up.

Anything short of the lib dem thing I saw where government absorbs everything over a set amount is going to break the system.


Higher it goes the more risk of complete failure. What if every supplier fails? I mean how much loss (people not paying) can they take before they quit?

What even happens then?

I'm assuming the majority of Europe is in the same boat

How's that going to work? Absorbing everything over a certain amount will encourage over use surely?

 

[danlightbulb]

What if every supplier fails?

In a sense it doesn't matter, you'll still have an electricity and gas connection. Unless the network operators start cutting people off, you'll still get energy.

The issue will simply be who bills you for it.

 

[413x]

How's that going to work? Absorbing everything over a certain amount will encourage over use surely?

Over a certain amount of the price cap. Which translates to a unit cost. Absorbing anymore added to that. The other option is bill credit.

 

[cheesefest]

I do, it takes less energy and water to complete the cycle. It adds up over the coarse of a year. It’s not like you sit in front of the machine waiting for it to run…

The faster cycles work by washing less but using more water. Most of the energy goes into heating the water.

The longer cycles use less water but wash for longer and overall use less energy.

The ‘A+’ energy rating only applies to the eco cycle, not the others.

The same applies to heat pump driers, they take twice as long to dry but use a lot less energy.

When I do a full bed change, I use the washer twice, as the washer is too small for double duvet, sheet and 4 pillowcases. Can't be doing with washing the two in 9 hours.

 

[413x]

In a sense it doesn't matter, you'll still have an electricity and gas connection. Unless the network operators start cutting people off, you'll still get energy.

The issue will simply be who bills you for it.

But surely at some point someone who supplies the raw materials stops getting paid.

At the moment it seems like suppliers (Scottish Power, British gas etc) are absorbing loss. Some are vertically integrated.

But if millions stop paying I guess there would come a time that the producers end up not getting paid and literally stop suppling oil/gas.

I suppose at that point government pays, running up national debt?


At this level I basically have no idea what could happen I suppose.