England Euro 2020 Squad Chat

Quinnaay · 2 Jun 2021 at 00:03

Andybtsn said:
It could be pretty exciting with Foden, Grealish and Sancho in the team but I doubt they will all start, probably 1 at best.

Don't forget Mount. He's carried Chelsea this season.

I feel the attack is as good as we're going to get. I'd have not taken trippier and taken Ward Prowse. Midfielders are lacking, Maguire is probably better than most give him credit for if he's fit.
Stones is okay but makes some stupid mistakes.

Henderson has to start in goal imo.

inogen · 2 Jun 2021 at 00:12

------------ HENDERSON -----------

TRENT --- MAGUIRE --- STONES --- SHAW

--- HENDERSON --- RICE ---- MOUNT ----

--- SANCHO --- KANE --- FODEN ----

Is the right team.

All these players play 443. Southgate will **** it up though and and shoehorn another defender in there and concede midfield.

These are the best players in their best positions. Maybe switch the CBs left and right. I dunno which ones would be better with Rice and Henderson filling in.

Obvs Sancho and Foden to swap over at times and Trent to make it 3-4-3 as he does. Shaw to do his lazy ass puffing his chest out stuff. Leaving the defence exposed so we lose the odd game and probably the quarter or the semi thanks to a corner he's conceded.

HangTime · 2 Jun 2021 at 00:19

Moothead2 said:
I'm also not entirely sure who else you even could pick in those positions, Timori maybe? Burnely's CBs who have also shipped 55 goals this season (more than Wolves)? My main issue with the squad is the lack of midfield depth, and also what that signals formation wise.

I'm being a bit facetious, part of the problem is there isn't really any better options at CB. I might have taken Keane over Mings but as I've said in the past it's a far cry from the glory days of figuring out who to play from Sol/Rio/JT/Woody/King etc. Not pinning any blame on the manager for that, I'm just not as sold as some seem to be on the impending glory of this supposedly exciting squad. This bookies have England as second favourites very marginally behind France on average, I'm not buying that myself although I suppose some teams have a harder draw.

omnomnom · 2 Jun 2021 at 07:20

HangTime said:
I'm being a bit facetious, part of the problem is there isn't really any better options at CB. I might have taken Keane over Mings but as I've said in the past it's a far cry from the glory days of figuring out who to play from Sol/Rio/JT/Woody/King etc. Not pinning any blame on the manager for that, I'm just not as sold as some seem to be on the impending glory of this supposedly exciting squad. This bookies have England as second favourites very marginally behind France on average, I'm not buying that myself although I suppose some teams have a harder draw.

Always happens. England will be backed and will push them to near favourites.

inogen said:
------------ HENDERSON -----------

TRENT --- MAGUIRE --- STONES --- SHAW

--- HENDERSON --- RICE ---- MOUNT ----

--- SANCHO --- KANE --- FODEN ----

Is the right team.

All these players play 443. Southgate will **** it up though and and shoehorn another defender in there and concede midfield.

These are the best players in their best positions. Maybe switch the CBs left and right. I dunno which ones would be better with Rice and Henderson filling in.

Obvs Sancho and Foden to swap over at times and Trent to make it 3-4-3 as he does. Shaw to do his lazy ass puffing his chest out stuff. Leaving the defence exposed so we lose the odd game and probably the quarter or the semi thanks to a corner he's conceded.

Swap Foden for Grealish and ill shake your hand on that team.

Robbo · 2 Jun 2021 at 08:41

A half fit Maguire and Stones at centre back are going to be seriously dodgy.

Wouldn’t it have been smart of Southgate to take a pairing, like Tarkowski and Mee? Seems more sensible.

chroniclard · 2 Jun 2021 at 08:44

It's a good squad, except Stones, Pickford and Maquire who are all sub par.

Kenai · 2 Jun 2021 at 08:57

HangTime said:
Personally I would've taken JWP instead of Rashford

JWP has even filled in at Right Back for Southampton a few times, so it's even more surprising he's not in the squad

The_One · 2 Jun 2021 at 09:09

England formation

HangTime · 2 Jun 2021 at 10:01

Robbo said:
A half fit Maguire and Stones at centre back are going to be seriously dodgy.

Wouldn’t it have been smart of Southgate to take a pairing, like Tarkowski and Mee? Seems more sensible.

It would have been smart for England to pick the Arsenal back 4 and keeper 25-30 years ago, I'm less sure about today where the potential pairings of English CBs are not competing at the top level. As someone mentioned Burnley let a lot of goals in, best you could do might be Everton with the likes of Keane, Lolgate and Godfrey.

ik9000 · 2 Jun 2021 at 11:25

The_One said:
England formation

that made me properly LOL.

We've a shaky defence so the best thing to do is go out to attack attack and press. Instead he's loading up on defenders. By doing so he creates his own nightmare (that we will be defending all the time)

omnomnom · 2 Jun 2021 at 11:40

He hasnt really loaded up on defenders if he plays a back 5. Reece James and Walker can both play as part of that three and you'd have Tripper or Trent on the right of it and Shaw or Chilwell on the other side.

The_One · 2 Jun 2021 at 11:58

omnomnom said:
He hasnt really loaded up on defenders if he plays a back 5. Reece James and Walker can both play as part of that three and you'd have Tripper or Trent on the right of it and Shaw or Chilwell on the other side.

you play with a max of 5 defenders and hes named 10

hes 100% loaded up on defenders

omnomnom · 2 Jun 2021 at 12:32

The_One said:
you play with a max of 5 defenders and hes named 10

hes 100% loaded up on defenders

Ok lets say he plays a standard 442 how many defenders would you expect him to take?

IronSpider · 2 Jun 2021 at 12:40

The_One said:
you play with a max of 5 defenders and hes named 10

hes 100% loaded up on defenders

Indeed, his interview on the team selection was odd. That if he could he would have taken 5 RB's and he picked the best 26 footballers in the country rather than by position. We have the team to win this, but I don't think we have the right manager for the players available to take advantage of the best attacking England players I've probably seen.

Kenai · 2 Jun 2021 at 12:55

The_One said:
you play with a max of 5 defenders and hes named 10

hes 100% loaded up on defenders

It's a 26 man squad, 23 outfield players.

If you've got 10 defenders to cover 5 defensive positions, that leaves you with 13 midfielders and forwards, to cover 5 midfield and forward positions, which doesn't seem tremendously unbalanced.

I think there's an argument to say 9 defenders would be adequate (say 2 LB, 2 RB and 5 CB to play a LB CB CB CB RB formation) but cutting it much more than that would leave you a bit light on cover for those positions. I'd personally prefer more midfield/forward options as they're more likely to change the makeup of a game for you if you're struggling.

The issue is not so much the number of defenders, more so the fact it seems a bit lopsided in favour of RBs. It looks less odd though if you assume he's considering Walker or James as more of a right sided CB (in a three) or TAA or Trippier as a winger/midfielder more than a defender.

omnomnom · 2 Jun 2021 at 13:01

Kenai said:
It's a 26 man squad, 23 outfield players.

If you've got 10 defenders to cover 5 defensive positions, that leaves you with 13 midfielders and forwards, to cover 5 midfield and forward positions, which doesn't seem tremendously unbalanced.

I think there's an argument to say 9 defenders would be adequate (say 2 LB, 2 RB and 5 CB to play a LB CB CB CB RB formation) but cutting it much more than that would leave you a bit light on cover for those positions. I'd personally prefer more midfield/forward options as they're more likely to change the makeup of a game for you if you're struggling.

The issue is not so much the number of defenders, more so the fact it seems a bit lopsided in favour of RBs. It looks less odd though if you assume he's considering Walker or James as more of a right sided CB (in a three) or TAA or Trippier as a winger/midfielder more than a defender.

Exactly. Its two players for every position.

adam cool dude · 2 Jun 2021 at 13:14

omnomnom said:
He hasnt really loaded up on defenders if he plays a back 5. Reece James and Walker can both play as part of that three and you'd have Tripper or Trent on the right of it and Shaw or Chilwell on the other side.

None of them bar Reece James play in a back 5 for club so is rather pointless. Play the players to what they know.

If he is going to play a back 3 might as well just stick coady in the middle and be done with it.

The_One · 2 Jun 2021 at 13:16

adam cool dude said:
None of them bar Reece James play in a back 5 for club so is rather pointless. Play the players to what they know.

If he is going to play a back 3 might as well just stick coady in the middle and be done with it.

this

square pegs round holes all the time with england

omnomnom · 2 Jun 2021 at 13:20

adam cool dude said:
None of them bar Reece James play in a back 5 for club so is rather pointless. Play the players to what they know.

If he is going to play a back 3 might as well just stick coady in the middle and be done with it.

Out of the 4 rbs the only two he will put in a 3 is Walker and James. Both of which have played there before for club or country.

ik9000 · 2 Jun 2021 at 13:30

I remember the years of our left side being the problem. Left back, left wing. We were using Graeme Le Saux and even Steve Guppy at one point. Then we get the left sorted and the centre mid / forwards take turns at being the problem. Then a pool of talent starts to emerge there and now it's the backs and keeper. At some point we'll be hot across the park and with a tactically astute manager, then we might have cause to get excited. I'm not hoping for too much from this tournament.