England: What went wrong? (serious discussion) **SPOILERS**

how can you not rate owen.. especially for england...

what has he done since 1998.... score goals.. and quite a few...

cant judge him from this miserable year.. or tournament.. its not because of his ability its because of the bad luck he has had.

with owen in the team you can never rule him out of winning the game.. just like against argentina in that friendly where he did nothing until the last 15-10mins.

crouch is not a true goalscorer.
rooney is not a true goalscorer..

we had no real cutting edge past midfield
 
Rooney should not have been sent of at all. First of all the portugese player had his legs rapped round Rooney's so he was trying to get it out and in the process trod on the guys crown jewels. To top that off Ronaldo his own team mate knew what he was doing when he went to the ref all arms flying, he knew Rooney would get annoyed and push him hence the little smile when he got sent off.

Second of all, 4-5-1 is a rubbish formation all what came out of it was a large boot up the field, Rooney or Crouch by themselves against 2-3 or more defenders then they'd lose it and it would go straight back up to the england half and they'd almost score.

Lampard this whole tournament has been a joke. He's performed no where near his normal form for Chelsea. Gerrard has played pretty decent but has also played pretty bad in some games too.

Beckham hasn't hardly done anything this World Cup. His crossing has been dreadful and so have his free kicks bar the one's which either went in or set someone up the rest were rubbish.

Last but not least Walcott shouldn't have been taken and instead Jermain Defoe, down to his pace, skill and experience. Then Sven could have played a 4-4-2 and we could have done soooo much better.
 
Is it just me who thought Gerrard was poor today? Even before Rooney was sent off he was giving the ball away. I was screaming at the tv for sven to take him off. Nearing the end of normal time and extra time as he was tiring he got worse. I couldn't believe he took the penalty when England had the advantage. I knew he's missed before he kicked it.

Rooney obviously has a temper problem and needs to mature. Stamping on a players knackers in a world cup quater-final isn't the brightest thing to do really.

After Rooney was sent off England were always working 25% harder than Portugal and by the time the penalties were taken everyone looked exhausted whereas Portugal still had fuel in the tank.

maybe it'd bee different if Rooney hadn't been sent off or Owen was still fit. Who knows.

Players that didn't fulfill their expectations for me in the England squad this tournament were probably Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Robinson and also the manager Sven who's Italian-style tactics odn't seem to take England very far.

Player who I thouht were great were Hargreaves, Lennon, Carrick, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole and Crouch.

We need a new manager and a new set of tactics. The midfield needs seeing to aswell.
 
TiZoR said:
have to agree, what have they done out side the EPL
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the same can be said for most of the squad sadly, bad management and tactics aside. i think the bbc and sky hype the EPL week in and week out when really its a poor league, that makes a lot of players look world beaters.
 
Unfortunately, Sven's "conservative" approach wasn't good.

Theo wasn't used, what's the point in bringing and hyping?

The English played with great Honor and honesty and even at 10 men down, they still stood firm. How unfortunate for them to go into Penalty.

We can always be optimistic, 40 years of heartache might just be over next time around?
 
vanpeebles said:
world class players shine on the big stage, they both whimpered. over hyped premiership fodder.
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Stevie has shone on the brightest CLUB stage there is,not just prem,and as much as i dislike Lamps (as a chelsea player),he's a great player non-the-less.
They haved put in poor performances for england,but they are obviously not poor players,the problem is therefore in the way they are played .
 
What went wrong?
1. The big players didn't perform
2. Sven didn't have the balls to take of any of the "stars" when they were playing poorly
3. Sven created formations just to accomendate the "stars"
4. And our penalties were dreadful
 
ballistic said:
5) DROP LAMPARD
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That statistic showing Lampard with more shots than anyone summed up his tournament - he was going through a bad patch of form at just the wrong time. Sven should have had the balls to drop him, that way Gerrard would've had free reign in the midfield and in my opinion we would have been a far stronger and more fluid team. I don't think Gerrard and Lampard are able to play together.

Sven also seemed clueless in the tactical department from the outset. Is he too old?? He seemed a bit like my grandparents - slightly unaware of what's going on around him. Maybe a 5 year younger sven would have seen his errors and would have been bright enough to change them.

I also welcomed the injury to Beckham. It sounds harsh, but he was doing next to nothing with the exception of whipping in a corner that would be cleared by the first defender.
 
Big Kev said:
I think we went wrong by the choice of forwards for a start, Bent or Defoe should have gone instead of Walcott, giving us a lot more options.

But the main problem was too many players didn't turn up for the tournament, simple as that.
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I honestly believe we had the best 11 in the tournament, but we have one of the worst managers for english football. We play so negativly without using the players in positions playing the way they normally play so well for their clubs.

Rooney never will be a lone striker, trying to get his head on the ball. Its not ronaldo he should lump in training its ferdinand for continual long lumps of the ball.

I dont think rooneys temprement is a problem either, he hasnt had many reds for Manu and plays more games.

The biggest factor for me in this world cup in we dont play enough together as a team. 9 warm games, the lowest in the tournie.

Also Sven messed about so much in them that big names got mysterious injuries as they knew at halftime 10 new players.

Beckham has had his time, this isnt american football. His all round game isnt good enough, we need more pace and players to run at them.

I'm not down about it either, hopefully another manager will give us more ideas.
 
the whole england movement was wrong too, if we had put on good wingers like walcott and downing, no one else was up in the last 1/3 to make it work. it was so compressed and static.
 
vanpeebles said:
world class players shine on the big stage, they both whimpered. over hyped premiership fodder.
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Yes but that often happens in these tournies, look at ronaldinho. I dont think hes looked the best player in the world either. To be honest no one stands out this WC.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Yes but that often happens in these tournies, look at ronaldinho. I dont think hes looked the best player in the world either. To be honest no one stands out this WC.
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true..

man of the tournament...

who?! who has really stood out..

the only person for is going to be the top scorer.. just because they scored the most goals..

but there has been no breakthrough talent.. no real superstar displays... no fairytales...

nothing.

miroslav klose for topscorer and man of tournament
 
Tweek_1984 said:
Is it just me who thought Gerrard was poor today? Even before Rooney was sent off he was giving the ball away. I was screaming at the tv for sven to take him off. Nearing the end of normal time and extra time as he was tiring he got worse. I couldn't believe he took the penalty when England had the advantage. I knew he's missed before he kicked it.
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Well.... he was a damned site better than Lampard, he set up some great chances, whilst Lampard floundered all of his.
Gerrard is not well known asa great penalty taker, yet Lampard is, and he gets away from your criticism :confused: :confused:

ballistic said:
Gerrard won the champions league, there's no doubting his ability - he is world class, just didn't play well in this tournament.
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He wasn't poor, but he certainl wasn't upto the standards he sets at Liverpool, the amount of games he has turned around single handedly.
I personally think its down to him being Captain, he sets it on himself to lead by example. He doesn't get the chance to do that for England because Beckham is too busy lumping it forwards with no end product.

Beckham should not have been captain. Ever. Period.

I can't think of a single game were Sven has made a good decision, he truly has no idea on tactics and how he ended up as England managed baffles me.

huppy said:
I also welcomed the injury to Beckham. It sounds harsh, but he was doing next to nothing with the exception of whipping in a corner that would be cleared by the first defender.
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Same here, I was properly cheering. Just look how much beter we played with Lennon there, thats someone who can pass, attack, run, take some people o and then run some more. Beckham doesn't offer anything to the side, and it showed just by how much better we were without him.
Apparantly he is good at deadballs. The vast majority of his set pieces were poor, think thy all hit the first man and were cleared easily. Look at Gerrard and Lampards corners today, every single one of them a good chance to score. Shame we never took any of them.
 
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