Englands World Cup Failure

Just thought I'd throw this in the discussion as well :D

Lampard is the highest goalscoring midfielder in Premier League history with 129 league goals[10] and he's 2nd in the Premier League's all-time assists table with 156 assists.[11] Also Lampard averages completes over 1400 successful passes and 10 or more assists every season.[12] In 2005, Lampard was voted PFA Fans' Player of the Year, FWA Footballer of the Year, also he came second in both the 2005 FIFA World Player of the Year and the 2005 Ballon d'Or.
 
One is a full back (naturally) and one is a CB, can't really make comparisons but yea I agree, Ramos is far from world class

Ramos is better at full back than he is at CB.

Did he not play at RB for Madrid until Pepe got injured? Pepe & Albiol and the season prior to that was Pepe & Cannavaro was it not?

Either way, he has a brain wave every game much like Terry did charging up the pitch.
 
lol, you fail.

Lennon is a great attacking and dangerous winger on his day.

Defoe is one of the best finishers out there, he's a natural striker.

Walcott and SWP are terrible and that's why they don't start.

We only played Barry because Hargreaves isn't fit.

Wanna tell me how the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and A.Cole are players without great ability?

Congratulations on naming our weakest players to justify your argument buy the way.


You do realise that, Lennon, Barry, SWP, Defoe, Heskey, Upson, Johnson, Milner all played right, and that you can't just go, we've got 4 players right up there in terms of best in the world, and think somehow that drags the other 7 players to the same level.

Likewise, Gerrard hasn't been one of the best in the world this season, not even close, and much like Kaka at Milan where the entire team was built around one player having essentially a free role, these players in that role look crap everywhere else.

We had, Heskey(due to being to slow to get forward) Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Barry, Lennon(with his cutting in), all wanting to play in the same 10 yard wide, advanced attacking central midfield role, 2 of which (rooney/Gerrard) play a relatively free role and the others who love to run into that space constantly for their clubs. Having more than half your team all doing their best work in the same 20 square yards is a disaster waiting to happen.

If England had the best 11 strikers in the world, without question, they score 78 goals each in the Champs league every season, would you put all 11 in the team and because they are the best 11 expect them to win the world cup..... only if you're an England supporter apparently.

Again I'll point out England were the ONLY team to not have a DM, and its got smeg all to do with Hargreaves, who people convieniently forget was the worst player in the team 4 years ago except for the last game, he was dreadful, truly dreadful except that last game. He's widely remembered for actually scoring a penalty as opposed to everyone else missing and being the least bad of a bunch who were truly awful in the last game, nothing more or less.

For Utd, when he's played, which is barely , he hasn't set the world alight as a defensive midfielder, and was often deployed on the right before his last major injury. Considering no ones seen him play properly for, well, years now, its entirely daft to suggest Hargreaves being fit would somehow fix the team. We need defensive midfielders, not a single academy in the UK is producing them, just central attacking midfielders, every young kid wants to be Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney, and anyone that can't pass but is just BIG ends up a centre back.

Defoe's a pretty decent tap in artist but he's no where near Podolski/Klose quality, players who have proven time and time again they can score in the biggest games in the biggest competitions in the world, and importantly, continue to do so.

People pretending Klose had nothing to do when he scored, firstly he ran onto a fairly fast moving ball, he held off Upson who was holding him back, and slotted the ball past James, there are many strikers who wouldn't have been able to hold off Upson or actually score the goal, infact, most wouldn't.

Lennon, on his day, is rather crap. I'll go back to the Man City argument, against the unfittest, oldest, least form left back to have played in the league it was a non competition, he WALKED pass him time and time again with no resistance, and yet with 20-30 crosses, he created one goal, one chance and 25 absolutely embarassing attempts. When he's "good" is simply when a team is so bad he has so many chances one randomly goes somewhere useful. THe City game he was criminally wasteful given the chances and complete lack of a footballer playing against him, yet he was widely praised for being able to beat the worst left back in the league(at that point) repeatedly, and people ignored the woeful woeful use of the ball. WHich sums up his season and his career.
 
Just thought I'd throw this in the discussion as well :D

Lampard is the highest goalscoring midfielder in Premier League history with 129 league goals[10] and he's 2nd in the Premier League's all-time assists table with 156 assists.[11] Also Lampard averages completes over 1400 successful passes and 10 or more assists every season.[12] In 2005, Lampard was voted PFA Fans' Player of the Year, FWA Footballer of the Year, also he came second in both the 2005 FIFA World Player of the Year and the 2005 Ballon d'Or.

I am always very wary of goalscoring records, I tend to be more interested in goals converted to shots taken ratios. Any idea how many shots at goal he had to get those 129 goals? Probably a hard stat to find though as I don't suppose its tracked.
 
Ramos is better at full back than he is at CB.

Did he not play at RB for Madrid until Pepe got injured? Pepe & Albiol and the season prior to that was Pepe & Cannavaro was it not?

Either way, he has a brain wave every game much like Terry did charging up the pitch.

That was my point, Ramos is a full back, Pique is a center back.
 
You do realise that, Lennon, Barry, SWP, Defoe, Heskey, Upson, Johnson, Milner all played right, and that you can't just go, we've got 4 players right up there in terms of best in the world, and think somehow that drags the other 7 players to the same level.

Seeing as I watched all of the 4 games I'm more than aware.

I never said it does take everyone else to the same level.

Upson, SWP and Heskey should have never been on the plane.

Milner did well tbh and Defoe couldn't have done much more. Lennon was only given 1 and a half games.
 
I am always very wary of goalscoring records, I tend to be more interested in goals converted to shots taken ratios. Any idea how many shots at goal he had to get those 129 goals? Probably a hard stat to find though as I don't suppose its tracked.

That stat means sweet FA.

He's scored more goals than ANY other midfielder in the history of the premier league. Something you just can't argue with.
 
That stat means sweet FA.

He's scored more goals than ANY other midfielder in the history of the premier league. Something you just can't argue with.

Maybe because he's played his entire career in the same league, whereas other players tend to leave for Spain, Italy, Germany, etc?
 
Heads need to roll at the FA we need younger people in there with fresh ideas with regards to youth policy and funding.

Been thinking this for years now. Our problems lie deeper then just with manager or player woes. I think post #103 sums it up nicely too.

Our football has to change if we think we have a chance of winning the World Cup again and for it to change we must start with our youth. We just dont have enough decent English footballers to choose from with the skills to beat the best in the world. I dont think the responsibility lies all with the manager and players but the FA itself, they need to change then we might actually get somewhere. I keep seeing the same old England for god knows how many years now, different players different manager but same desperately mediocre England. I think something radical needs to be done.
 
You also said you 'tend to be more interested' which suggests that the stat you are referring to is more significant than the one presented when it's actually rather irrelevant.

Not at all, what it suggests is precisely what it says, that I as an individual find the ratio stat more interesting. If you want to infer something completely different from that its up to you. I thought I had written it clearly but evidently not. My apologies to you.
 
Maybe because he's played his entire career in the same league, whereas other players tend to leave for Spain, Italy, Germany, etc?

Or maybe because his record is better than everyone elses including Giggs, Gerrard & Scholes who a lot of people consider to be top players. (that have also been in the PL their whole career)
 
Not at all, what it suggests is precisely what it says, that I as an individual find the ratio stat more interesting. If you want to infer something completely different from that its up to you. I thought I had written it clearly but evidently not. My apologies to you.

Nope, my bad. I read the word interested as important for some reason. My apologies.
 
the only thing i dont understand is why they put keskey into the team in the first place...

they shouldve alos found a place for wright phillips somewhere as welll....
 
they shouldve alos found a place for wright phillips somewhere as welll....

SWP had 89 minutes on the pitch at this world cup and those were 89 minutes more than he deserved, he was an absolute waste of space. £100,000 a week Shaun? **** off!
 
drunkenmaster said:
Lennon, on his day, is rather crap. I'll go back to the Man City argument, against the unfittest, oldest, least form left back to have played in the league it was a non competition, he WALKED pass him time and time again with no resistance, and yet with 20-30 crosses, he created one goal, one chance and 25 absolutely embarassing attempts. When he's "good" is simply when a team is so bad he has so many chances one randomly goes somewhere useful. THe City game he was criminally wasteful given the chances and complete lack of a footballer playing against him, yet he was widely praised for being able to beat the worst left back in the league(at that point) repeatedly, and people ignored the woeful woeful use of the ball. WHich sums up his season and his career.


The fact that he had one of the best assist records in the league last season counts for nothing then?


Out of interest, would you have played Walcott?
 
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why does the ball need to go into the goal? is there some special reason for it? the goal of the game is the goal? like a lot of games it's rather silly really is'nt it.

chase ball, score goal, win. repeat for infinity but why? it's not really fun is it?
meh football...
 
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