Englands World Cup Failure

Carrol? The guy from Newcastle? We already have Bent and Agbonlahor who are leapyears ahead and not old :eek:


Bent's international career is already over.

GA - maybe has a chance, but Carroll has a chance, let's see how he does this year.

If AG was going to break into the England team, wouldn't he have done it by now? Isn't he 23ish now?
 
If Caroll goes anywhere near the England set-up I will never watch them again. True story.


How can he be any worse than any England striker now? He holds up the ball, is strong, good header of the ball, and got 20 goals last year. Did Heskey even score for Villa at all last season?
 
I think we suffered hugely from Ferdinand's absence, from the moment King went off injured we suddenly ended up with a central defence with no pace, fullbacks who like to press on so leaving them more exposed and the whole team looked scared to go forward because of it, Rooney became more frustrated etc etc. The England team over the last 5-6 years has been built on a strong defence and the loss of that aspect seemed to inhibit everyone's play significantly.

Obviously it's down to more than just one player missing but I thought that was a major setback, but then who could have come in to replace him? I can't think of any English players in that mould unfortunately.

GK-wise it's a crying shame Steve Harper was stuck as Newcastles No2 for so long (16 years!), if he'd moved I'm sure he'd be in contention for an England spot but at 35 he's probably too old now too.
 
Simple fact is, there is no youth talent at all.

Milner
Walcott
Johnson
Smalling
Jones
Cattermole

There is no other choice.

Yes there is, and it's damn good too. The problem is that it's not getting a chance due to this fixation over experience. Look at Germany's squad. England thought they had a chance due to the German squad's relative inexperience at such a stage. That turned out well, didn't it? Michael Dawson had an utterly fantastic season for his club and not only didn't get a game, he was even dropped from the original squad until Rio got crocked. Then there's the likes of Darren Bent, Adam Johnson, Joe Hart, Tom Huddlestone, Gabby Agbonlahor etc...

The young talent is there. They're just not getting their chance.
 
Simple fact is, there is no youth talent at all.

Milner
Walcott
Johnson
Smalling
Jones
Cattermole

There is no other choice.

Wilshere and Rodwell have far more potential than any of those.

I would also like to see Walcott play upfront a lot more as well.

Jagielka should have went in my opinion, can play at right or centre back and might actually be able to play as a proper holding midfield man as well.
 
Wilshere and Rodwell have far more potential than any of those.

I would also like to see Walcott play upfront a lot more as well.

Jagielka should have went in my opinion, can play at right or centre back and might actually be able to play as a proper holding midfield man as well.


I missed Rodwell and Wilshere, but honest is he ever going to get a chance at Arsenal?

For one, he isn't French or African.
 
I missed Rodwell and Wilshere, but honest is he ever going to get a chance at Arsenal?

For one, he isn't French or African.

Pretty irrelevant, which English players has Wenger not played that were good enough to play at that level. Walcott has not developed at all.

If he is as good as we are lead to believe he will play.
 
We have just won the Euro U17 championship, so hope is on the horizon.


That raw talent at under 17 maybe good, but where on earth are they going to get the chance to play to be considered for England.

I suppose Chelsea are looking to kids, to save millions on transfers. Liverpool and Manu are crippled with debt so I guess they will look to youth.
 
Our players are nowhere near as good as we/the media think.

How dare you!

Lampard is the greatest midfielder in the entire Premier League! Which is the best league in the World! Of course of course he's World Class, all the Players in the "best league in the world" are amazing, World Class players, especially those English players.
 
Interesting stat from BBC site:

Wayne Rooney lost the ball or was tackled in possession more than any other player (so far) at the Fifa 2010 World Cup.
 
The Players aren't good enough!! Yes they look good in the premiership with all the foreigners around them but in reality they are extremely average
 
Interesting stat from BBC site:

Wayne Rooney lost the ball or was tackled in possession more than any other player (so far) at the Fifa 2010 World Cup.

I don't know about that, i've seen Messi lose the ball similar times to Rooney despite they were fouls.
 
Interesting stat from BBC site:

Wayne Rooney lost the ball or was tackled in possession more than any other player (so far) at the Fifa 2010 World Cup.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had less chances on goal than any other striker too, I can only really remember him hitting the post versus Slovenia and a couple of long range speculative efforts.

His entire World Cup can probably be summed up by him coming deep, picking up the ball and then losing possession.
 
I missed Rodwell and Wilshere, but honest is he ever going to get a chance at Arsenal?

For one, he isn't French or African.

That's the best post WC failure joke so far.

I'm surprised it's taken so long for Wenger come up, but you are indeed right, he is one reason why England have invariably and miserably failed. One foreigner (Capello) was blamed, I suppose part of self gratification is that we all need another to move onto.

If Wilshere progresses as he's done so far then he looks to be a pretty decent prospect. And thanks to Wenger wanting technical players, at long last (roughly around 10 years after he arrived in England, and said that there were none while those that could be taught the essential skills were deliberately not chosen) we're starting to see a few from our youth setup.

If his attitude is good, and he isn't a ******, say, like Bentley or Pennant he's got every chance. If he remains a model professional off the pitch (unlike so many of the chavs that play in our national side) then Wenger is much more likely to keep and play him. He's also much more likely to stay should his wage demands remain affordable to the club, and he doesn't wander off to have lunch with Chelsea's manager. Don't forget also, him being good enough a very important factor. There's a reason why we let Upson go, the guy is by far not good enough for us and it seems unsurprisingly, England too.

Injuries too can hamper a player's progress. Not only was Ryan Shawcross breaking Ramsey's leg detrimental for this, it suddenly just rubbed the entire issue in everybody's faces. Who do we by and large have 4 divisions of? Who is scouted for all over the country? Shawcross by numbers alone is far more likely to get a shot than Ramsey unless of course you're a top tier club looking for a different player. ;) ;)

But you're right, he isn't African or French, so by numbers alone the fact he's English will mean statistically he has, simply put, **** all technical abilities. Unless of course WE teach him, and as said that's taken a long long time.

It's not in anyway Wenger's fault, blame the football we apparently want in this country and then compare it to others.
 
England don't produce good players, The obsession with turning players in to big, physical players ruins many of them and stops them developing the technical side of their game. The players we do have, are over rated by Sky and people listen to this and believe it, I mean, why would Sky tell you that English players aren't that good in just a good league in Europe? I mean... it's not like they're selling you a product.

The Youth isn't that bad, the under 21 England side aren't doing too badly. Wilshire, Rodwell, Naughton, Mancienne, Cleverly, Cattermole, Gosling, Delph, Welbeck all look decent young players.

The England team isn't as good as people believe / would have you believe.

I honestly think the only players of note in the England side are Rooney, Ferdinand, A. Cole, Gerrard :)

Capello, got things wrong. I felt the system was wrong, the players in certain positions were wrong, but I'm just an arm chair manager. What do I know?

He hasn't really changed anything, He just talks a good game. England still make the same mistakes, maybe it's just arrogance?

They wanted too long on the ball, they were played out of position, they were second to every ball, they didn't press enough and there was just a failure of the ability to work as a team for each other.

In this World Cup alone, England were embarrassed by Algeria, U.S.A. and Germany. Slovenia allowed England respect and time on the ball, which allowed England to turn in 45 minutes of half decent football, but still only score the single goal against the smallest Country in the World Cup.

I didn't expect much more then England to struggle through the group stages, everyone seemed so confident of beating Algeria, U.S.A. and Slovenia.

Anyway, roll on the Euro's hopefully with a better manager and a better group of players who can function as a team :)
 
England don't produce good players, The obsession with turning players in to big, physical players ruins many of them and stops them developing the technical side of their game. The players we do have, are over rated by Sky and people listen to this and believe it, I mean, why would Sky tell you that English players aren't that good in just a good league in Europe? I mean... it's not like they're selling you a product.

The Youth isn't that bad, the under 21 England side aren't doing too badly. Wilshire, Rodwell, Naughton, Mancienne, Cleverly, Cattermole, Gosling, Delph, Welbeck all look decent young players.

The England team isn't as good as people believe / would have you believe.

I honestly think the only players of note in the England side are Rooney, Ferdinand, A. Cole, Gerrard :)

Capello, got things wrong. I felt the system was wrong, the players in certain positions were wrong, but I'm just an arm chair manager. What do I know?

He hasn't really changed anything, He just talks a good game. England still make the same mistakes, maybe it's just arrogance?

They wanted too long on the ball, they were played out of position, they were second to every ball, they didn't press enough and there was just a failure of the ability to work as a team for each other.

In this World Cup alone, England were embarrassed by Algeria, U.S.A. and Germany. Slovenia allowed England respect and time on the ball, which allowed England to turn in 45 minutes of half decent football, but still only score the single goal against the smallest Country in the World Cup.

I didn't expect much more then England to struggle through the group stages, everyone seemed so confident of beating Algeria, U.S.A. and Slovenia.

Anyway, roll on the Euro's hopefully with a better manager and a better group of players who can function as a team :)

Very few teams in the World Cup have a squad full of World Class players. Spain and Argentina are the only sides that come close.

You don't necessarily have to be World Class, but you certainly need passion.

Jimmy Bullard for England captain. ;)
 
Very few teams in the World Cup have a squad full of World Class players. Spain and Argentina are the only sides that come close.

You don't necessarily have to be World Class, but you certainly need passion.

Jimmy Bullard for England captain. ;)

Nope. Didn't say you need World Class players. You just need good players littered with the passion, drive and desire to work together and do well :)

On the whole, Spain, Argentina, Brasil have far better teams then England. With Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Russia have teams easily as good as England's, but with the ability to work as a team :)

Bullard for Captain ;)
 
Wonder how many players left in the tournament play in the premiership compared to other leagues have a feeling it's very low.
The prem isn't the best league in the world anymore and hasn't been for a few seasons now.
 
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