Poll: Eu referendum prediction thread (poll please)
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Yes same campaign that Norway run and still got the No to Joining the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-UbT0g9A8c
Norway seems to have done quite well outside the club although the EU supporters said they would be finished outside.
There won't be a lot of difference for at least a few years.
Personally I think we'll prosper outside of the EU in the long term. Most importantly though we will be a self governing democracy.
I don't think they need to, though they should be talking more about benefits of membership rather than (possible) negatives of leaving.
It should be on Leave to put forward a realistic vision what UK will be like post exit.
Poor show by both camps!
Voting Leave and hope Leave will win
(Whoever wins, I hope it is by a significant margin however)
I do not know if the results will be reported on a constituency basis or not, But I would expect that Rural and even many suburban areas will vote leave, Cities, particularly cities with large "Brown British" populations will, I expect, tend to vote to remain.
(Whoever wins, I hope it is by a significant margin however)
I do not know if the results will be reported on a constituency basis or not, But I would expect that Rural and even many suburban areas will vote leave, Cities, particularly cities with large "Brown British" populations will, I expect, tend to vote to remain.
Yes they do but they still need to comply with EU laws and agree to free movement of people. Two of the main reasons people are voting for Leave. So there's really no point of leaving if UK adopts Norway model.
The latter makes little sense as their heritage is in countries that current immigration policy actively discriminates against. Or are you suggesting that there may be some skullduggery going on (again)?
Remain is arguing for the status quo. If they win, nothing changes. Of course the remain campaign is negative. We already have all the positive benefits of EU membership and talking about them means saying how losing them will be bad.
What other kind of campaign do the remain campaign have?
It's sad that the British electorate prefers nice lies to uncomfortable truth. We've been Trumpified. It creates a moral dilemma when it comes to campaigning, because if the public rewards politicians who lie to them, then eventually that's all the public will get.
I'll have to tell the majority of my well-educated work colleagues that they're all stupid, racist, Daily Mail mouth-breathing types according to the polls.
I'm voting remain and am remaining (heh) confident that common sense and a lean towards the less risky option will prevail and remain will win. Though I am worried that leave has gathered the momentum it has and in a more general sense, how utterly crap and misleading the official campaigns, their supporters and information have been throughout this whole thing.
Anyone know if we will get statistics like this afterwards?
i'd be interested in seeing how different demographics voted.
Anyone know if we will get statistics like this afterwards?
i'd be interested in seeing how different demographics voted.
This is one of the fatal flaws in the remain argument IMO. There is no status quo vote. The EU is on a path to further, faster and deeper integration. There's no conspiracy about that, it's all out in the open. What started as a trading block has slowly but surely moved down the path toward a single country with a single Government. The latest proposals include "harmonisation" (as they like to call it) of property and company law, the EU tax identifier number, paving the way toward an even closer fiscal union. Not to mention the (currently in early stages) proposal for an EU army etc. The list goes on.
This referendum represents a fork in the road, there is no voting for the status quo.
The last time we got a vote on the EU was in 1975, when it was 6 countries and was just about trade. The referendum question back then specifically included the term "common market" because that's what the vote was about, trade.
Since then it's grown to 28 countries (and another 5 are currently on the EU's "candidate" list) and now has its own executive, judiciary and parliament. It now has its own president, and foreign affairs post. It now covers agriculture, energy, social policy, environment, transport, culture, tourism, justice, commerce and the list goes on. It wants more control and "harmonization" of company law and property rights, as well as true fiscal union.
So yeah, it's clearly on a journey and constantly evolving. To think that suddenly, given its track record, everything will stay the same is just not seeing the bigger picture.
Either we get off the ship now (which I would argue is sinking), or we're in for the long haul.
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I've found the exact opposite within my own experience.
Seems that people tend to find the split within their social groups either one or the other - most people say that "everyone I know is leave/remain", I haven't heard anyone say that they've experience an equal balance of opinion.
And together with these nations UK has created what the EU is today. Yes the vote back then was for something else but UK played it's part in creating the EU we know today. EU isn't this alien thing forced onto UK that you and leave are trying to portrait.