European Grand Prix 2010, Valencia Street Circuit - Race 9/19

sunama · 2 Jul 2010 at 16:43

Hehehe.

The final "upside-down" shunt he had would've made him dizzy. After the car came to a halt, I think he saw him put his head back...perhaps because he was dizzy. I'm surprised he didnt suffer concussion as that was a heavy shunt.

I'm glad he was ok though, becase I honestly thought he would end up in hospital or the morgue after that.

utajoker · 2 Jul 2010 at 19:52

shame it didnt show kobiyashi taking alonso in the last few laps.

NathanE · 2 Jul 2010 at 20:19

I'm lol'ing at Christian Horner's rather camp pose when he says "They touched..." (Vet vs Ham on turn 1 lap 1).

sunama · 2 Jul 2010 at 20:26

deuse · 2 Jul 2010 at 20:41

NathanE said:
I'm lol'ing at Christian Horner's rather camp pose when he says "They touched..." (Vet vs Ham on turn 1 lap 1).

Well in this thread http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18160402

Horner was heard saying "I'm really very very nervous about it."
Maybe his coming out party

Duke · 2 Jul 2010 at 23:52

re: Coulthard moaning about 'B' cars in the race... http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/02/coulthards-concern-over-closing-speeds/

lol at the top speed comparison.

arknor · 2 Jul 2010 at 23:59

Duke said:
re: Coulthard moaning about 'B' cars in the race... http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/02/coulthards-concern-over-closing-speeds/

lol at the top speed comparison.

You don’t want to have more than six, seven eight kilometres an hour difference between the fastest and the slowest cars.

only mclaren should race then :rolleyes:

sunama · 3 Jul 2010 at 00:14

The truth of the matter is that Webber should've had the skill to judge the slow speed of the car in front of him. Instead, he milked every last drop of the slipstream and couldnt get out of it in time. He didnt even need to slipstream Heikki like that. I mean for gods sake, the Lotus is a joke of a car and Webber could've driven by him with very little effort.

Oh and BTW, how did Webber even get into the position where he was actually fighting for position with a Lotus?

JRS · 3 Jul 2010 at 00:18

sunama said:
the Lotus is a joke of a car

No, the Life L190 was a joke of a car. The Andrea Moda S921 was a joke of a car. And the Lola T97/30....that was the joke to end all jokes of a car.

Compared with them, the current Lotus car is pretty much the McLaren MP4/4 reincarnated....

deuse · 3 Jul 2010 at 07:20

sunama said:
I mean for gods sake, the Lotus is a joke of a car and Webber could've driven by him with very little effort.

Oh and BTW, how did Webber even get into the position where he was actually fighting for position with a Lotus?

From the link posted above.

"Here’s how the two cars’ top speeds compared in qualifying at the race:"

Driver Car Top speed (kph)

Jarno Trulli ...Lotus-Cosworth 309.5
Heikki Kovalainen ...Lotus-Cosworth 308.1
Sebastian Vettel.. Red Bull-Renault 307.7
Mark Webber ..Red Bull-Renault 307.3

Oh dear :rolleyes:

dalin80 · 3 Jul 2010 at 07:25

arknor said:
only mclaren should race then

I fully support this idea.

JRS · 3 Jul 2010 at 09:36

LOL deuse, nice one. I hadn't spotted that. So much for the Lotus being a joke of a car....

sunama · 3 Jul 2010 at 09:42

deuse said:
From the link posted above.

"Here’s how the two cars’ top speeds compared in qualifying at the race:"

Driver Car Top speed (kph)

Jarno Trulli ...Lotus-Cosworth 309.5
Heikki Kovalainen ...Lotus-Cosworth 308.1
Sebastian Vettel.. Red Bull-Renault 307.7
Mark Webber ..Red Bull-Renault 307.3

Oh dear

That just makes Webber's crash look even more dodgy.

The srange thing is that in all the press comments, I have never once seen someone come out and say that they feel sorry for Heikki as his race was ruined by Webber's poor driving.

JRS · 3 Jul 2010 at 09:47

sunama said:
The srange thing is that in all the press comments, I have never once seen someone come out and say that they feel sorry for Heikki as his race was ruined by Webber's poor driving.

Meh, that's just because the Red Bull Press Office Of Spooky Doom™ has told them to go with their line or suffer a fate worse than death....

They got to CS||nuTs, and they'll get to the rest of us in their own time. Run for the hills!

sunama · 3 Jul 2010 at 09:48

JRS said:
LOL deuse, nice one. I hadn't spotted that. So much for the Lotus being a joke of a car....

How did Webber end up behind a Lotus anyway?

During the race, all I saw was that Webber was gradually moving backwards, while Vettel was opening up a gap at the front. Then mid race, we were shown Webber taking flight.

JRS · 3 Jul 2010 at 09:52

Webber ended up behind a Lotus thanks to pitting very early on, before the field got strung out. He was going backwards thanks to getting the start all kinds of wrong, and they needed to change strategy to try and claw some positions back. Unfortunately, the last person on the grid that you want to see trying to charge back up the order when things have gone horribly wrong is Webber, since he runs into stuff. We saw that one in Australia, but with the higher speeds involved this time it ended up a bit nastier.

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2010 at 14:43

And it should have worked well for him, if he wasn't so stupid.

Pitted early to get free air and bang the laps in, we saw how well that worked with kobyashi.

Why oh why was he so aggresive with a lotus, just no need.

hiroofheroes · 3 Jul 2010 at 17:52

arknor said:
only mclaren should race then

Theres a difference between top speed and average speed though, isn't there

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/eur-race-classification.pdf

JRS · 3 Jul 2010 at 21:06

AcidHell2 said:
Why oh why was he so aggresive with a lotus, just no need.

The question you should be asking is "why was he so aggressive?". Forget the fact that it was a Lotus in front - it could have been Lewis Hamilton in the McLaren and the collision would still have happened. After all, it did in Melbourne....

Webber isn't good in these situations where he finds himself down the order in a car that ought to be right at the front. I don't get why, since he has enough experience of keeping out of trouble when all around are losing their **** (Aus '02, anyone?*). It's massively irritating, since it ruins not just his own race but that of others as well.

* - He lined up on the grid in the Minardi. Rubens and Ralf had a crash at T1 that snowballed and took out much of the field. Further incidents in the race put him into the points, with his car falling to bits around him. He survived a late challenge from Salo and came home 5th. He can perform under adversity, he just seems to have forgotten how.

gord · 3 Jul 2010 at 22:16

JRS said:
Meh, that's just because the Red Bull Press Office Of Spooky Doom™ has told them to go with their line or suffer a fate worse than death....

They got to CS||nuTs, and they'll get to the rest of us in their own time. Run for the hills!

Gone but not forgotten! We shall resurrect him! Grab the torx screws!

My old man made his point quite clear, in times gone by in motorsport, it has always been the driver's responsibility following not to crash into the car in front. I agree with him.