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It fits the market perfectly imo. Second small electric car... It's why the mini despite being garbage did Ok on salary sacrifice schemes - it was rounding error money akin to dipping toes in the pool.
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Toyota has no EV planned, similarly for Mitsubishi, Honda doesn’t have anything in the pipeline other than the current E, Nissan has been selling 15yr old leaf as their flag ship while nothing new other than the Ariya is in the pipeline.
Ford nothing new, GM & Ford got nothing new or on production that you can shout about. Stellantis group is similar situation. BMW and Mercedes are all doing the high end market with nothing planned for the mid or entry levels. Tesla is in no hurry to bring out anything less than 30k. VW & Audi sacked a whole factory of EV worker, while cancelling the ID 2. No EVs planned for Seat brand. Skoda only got 1 EV and has pushed back the €25k EV till 2028-2030. Koreans are similarly going in at high end only.
Doesn’t look like a very competitive market. No idea how those fines work on makers outside EU.
The only maker seems to be pushing out new EV atm is Volvo.
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The E-Up is a great little car no doubt... its only problem is....... a a couple of grand to it and you can get a slightly larger car with a longer range.
which isnt the fault of the car, but i expect with many people worrying about range - even IF they only need that range on a 2nd car once every blue moon - i think many would still lean towards a different car.
As for Toyota and nissan.
I am not sure that is correct to be honest.
They have the bZ4x and i thought they had another bunch of EVs planned... Same with nissan, isnt the new juke going to be an EV? and going forward there will at least be a plug in Qashqai
The ID2 is it really cancelled? if it is that is a shocker, but if so there is still the new citroen for around £20k and the renault 5 is coming this year i think.
which isnt the fault of the car, but i expect with many people worrying about range - even IF they only need that range on a 2nd car once every blue moon - i think many would still lean towards a different car.
As for Toyota and nissan.
I am not sure that is correct to be honest.
They have the bZ4x and i thought they had another bunch of EVs planned... Same with nissan, isnt the new juke going to be an EV? and going forward there will at least be a plug in Qashqai
The ID2 is it really cancelled? if it is that is a shocker, but if so there is still the new citroen for around £20k and the renault 5 is coming this year i think.
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It's only marketed for Yorkshire?
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Ford have the new Puma coming out in EV guise. Pug have a new 3008 with Uber range, VW have not pulled the plug on the ID2. Merc deals on EQA and EQB are very good right now. They are bringing out the new EQC next year, BMW have the 3 series EV planned and Audi have a ruck of cars, albeit more high end.
Not sure what more the market needs tbh!
Not sure what more the market needs tbh!
I gave the Seat Mii which is the same car as the E-Up a very long look before going for the Zoe, in the end the increased range was the main factor in going for the Zoe, I liked the fact that the Mii was basic, eg, analogue dials, key to start as simplicity means things are cheaper to fix but it was just a little too basic that I would have regretted it.
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our 2nd car is an I3 so am not saying you are wrong, end of the day it is good there are options. people have been complaining for years there are no affordable, practical EVs for under £15k... now there are.
(of course some of those same people are now saying this is now a bad thing as it proves EVs are rubbish - i can see those goal posts moving as we speak
) (that said as much as i love EVs there is absolutely no way i would buy a new one outright with my cash... but then i have always thought it far better to buy a 3 year old car over a new one).dont forget you can get a 40kwh leaf now for under 10k.
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Not sure but what I do know is that only people from Yorkshire pronounce the name properly
I’m not sure what your point is? The fines only apply to cars sold in the U.K. and EU, it’s ‘only’ 20% this year and manufacturers can buy credits from those exceeding 20% on the open market (like Tesla).
BMW have electric options in all their key models except the 1 series.
Stellantis probably have more electric models on the market than any other manufacturer thanks to all their clone hatchbacks.
GM don’t operate in Europe.
Kia/Hyundai have a bunch of electric models and have done for years. Their most electric cars Kona/Nero are everywhere.
VW can transfer EV credits throughout their group so what the individual brand is doing isn’t important.
Ford sell a lot of commercial and get their sales that way.
Nissan still sell a lot of EVs
Renault sell a lot of EVs and have an alliance with Mitsubishi.
They can all buy credits from Tesla, Volvo also have Polestar which is all electric and are probably selling credits. The Chinese brands will probably be selling credits too.
The Japanese brands (Honda, Mazda and Toyota) are going to feel the pain if they don’t sort themselves out and pull their head out of the hydrogen rabbit hole.
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I heard you get one supplied as a company car if you work at the Yorkshire Tea plantationNot sure but what I do know is that only people from Yorkshire pronounce the name properly
The market certainly isn’t competitive right now. Dunno how competitive the market will be.
Since 2020 there are talks of cheap EV around the corner and since then every EV release has come out at above expected price. From 2020-2023 Tesla increased prices on all there models.
Right now atm, it feels like every EV maker that sells in EU or UK just sort of look at Tesla and go well, we either go at that market price or higher.
The promise of cheap initial capital EV has been made for years and years. But reality is quite different. Even the e-Kona and e-Niro which were market disrupters at the time have gone up in ticket prices significantly (albeit with much more improved technology)
With EU rule of origin tariff, I don’t see any incentive for makers to slash EV prices or make them affordable for main stream adoption.
I get a feeling they will keep prices artificially high as there is no competition and go to governments and say “look we making these EVs as you said you want us do but no one buying them, you need to provide subsidies. Or scrap the fines.”
Since 2020 there are talks of cheap EV around the corner and since then every EV release has come out at above expected price. From 2020-2023 Tesla increased prices on all there models.
Right now atm, it feels like every EV maker that sells in EU or UK just sort of look at Tesla and go well, we either go at that market price or higher.
The promise of cheap initial capital EV has been made for years and years. But reality is quite different. Even the e-Kona and e-Niro which were market disrupters at the time have gone up in ticket prices significantly (albeit with much more improved technology)
With EU rule of origin tariff, I don’t see any incentive for makers to slash EV prices or make them affordable for main stream adoption.
I get a feeling they will keep prices artificially high as there is no competition and go to governments and say “look we making these EVs as you said you want us do but no one buying them, you need to provide subsidies. Or scrap the fines.”
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Anyone had an EV Charger installed by Octopus, right now their price is coming in a good few hundred cheaper for me that the local installer quotes I've had.
I'm particularly interested to find out if the install into the main consumer unit or split the tails and install a mini consumer unit. The detail on the website is a bit limited around that but looking at a lot of installs on youtube most seem to go with a mini consumer unit with surge protection so I'm hoping they will do that as my main consumer unit is full. I've said in the form I filled out with a photo of my meter cupboard that the consumer unit is full so will see what they come back with. Just wondering if anyone has real world experience of what they typically do.
I'm particularly interested to find out if the install into the main consumer unit or split the tails and install a mini consumer unit. The detail on the website is a bit limited around that but looking at a lot of installs on youtube most seem to go with a mini consumer unit with surge protection so I'm hoping they will do that as my main consumer unit is full. I've said in the form I filled out with a photo of my meter cupboard that the consumer unit is full so will see what they come back with. Just wondering if anyone has real world experience of what they typically do.
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what do you consider affordable? you can get a brand new MG4 for £27k. that isnt cheap but then how much is an equivalent ICE now? (I have no idea) .... inflation has been brutal this last 12 months.
in a £30k car, £3000 of that is probably just thanks to our devaluing pound..
but that is kind of moot for me, 2nd hand EVs have never been even close to as affordable as they are today and that is where i look personally..
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They’ll typically do it in the easiest/cheapest way possible unless otherwise instructed and charge you accordingly.
If the existing board is full or not in a suitable location to run a cable, they’ll install a new one in a suitable location.
Tesla raised prices but they dropped them back down again. The cash price without grants of a Model 3 was only lower back in 2020. The long range is a bit more expensive but the standard range is a hell of a lot of car for the cash.
Also outside of Tesla and Polestar who do direct sales, you can basically ignore the list price of most cars these days. They are just obscene and you shouldn’t be paying anything like that sort of money at the dealer. I mean who in their right mind is paying just under £40k for a top spec Vauxhall Mokka, no one is the answer.
Just a few days ago someone posted up that you can personal lease a Ora Cat for a few hundred a month. That was a lot of car for the money.
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IMHO we won't see a "cheap" EV until the revised Dacia Spring hits the UK later this year. Just how cheap it will be remains to be seen and the original really needed a bit of updating to make it a credible contender as an all rounder capable of life beyond the city limits. If they can make it within touching distance of the Sandero price wise it may be a winner.
I can't see the Renault 5, ID2 etc. dropping with anything other than mid-high £20k price tags.
I can't see the Renault 5, ID2 etc. dropping with anything other than mid-high £20k price tags.
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I hope not...... the Citroen e-C3 is meant to be around £22k - £23k. I really hope it hits that price and if it does then surely the Renault 5 and ID2 will have to be ball park around there too?
the market absolutely does not need another Honda E imo
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fire sale into the fleet market whilst the rules of origin (+ potential eu carbon border tax too, +french no-credits) don't stop the supply, all to support the cooling/carbon-intensive chinese economy;
That said my first rule of ev
video on reduction was a piece of punch and judy click bait - only glanced at it to see if they discussed ev insurance costs (2nd rule)
Pity there is no i4-series estate to accompany that new elegant & $$ i5 estate g61 https://youtu.be/PKNzAkn5SpI -
I don't think bmw or vw are really participating in the price cutting, their garages and support network have some permanence, in my mind.
On Autotrader there are 105 brand new EV's for sale under £25k and 25 of these are less than £22k.
A good list of choice too
A good list of choice too
- Corsa E
- Mokka-E
- Peugeot E-208
- Peugeot E-2008
- MG ZS
- Fiat 500e
- Citroen e-C4
- MG4
- MG5
- E-up!
- Mini Electric
- Nissan Leaf
- Hyundai Ioniq
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i have no idea what its like as a car (though i am a bit of a pug fan having had a 306 and a 308 over the years - admittedly i only actively bought the 306, the 308 was left to me in a will). but i really love the look of the E-208
i really wanted to look at getting one to replace our written off 308 diesel.......... however the mrs has charge point anxiety (not range anxiety) and did not want 2 pure EVs in the family even tho i am convinced it would have been perfect for us.... so we got a plug in i3 instead and now she is happy and i have "ICE maintenance anxiety" having to run the engine every month - 6 week or so to keep it running reliably as it never goes out of the range of the battery. (even then its the engine i worry about reliability wise)
i really wanted to look at getting one to replace our written off 308 diesel.......... however the mrs has charge point anxiety (not range anxiety) and did not want 2 pure EVs in the family even tho i am convinced it would have been perfect for us.... so we got a plug in i3 instead and now she is happy and i have "ICE maintenance anxiety" having to run the engine every month - 6 week or so to keep it running reliably as it never goes out of the range of the battery. (even then its the engine i worry about reliability wise)
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