EV general discussion

[Journey]

Now I love the idea of an EV as someone who does 100 miles per day when I work but sadly the charging schedules when I would get home and then need to come off charge would mean I don't get the cheaper costs and would need to charge probably 50% every time.

That not how IOG slots work, if you were on that tariff you'd mostly get off-peak pricing unless you were always doing it between week days at 16:30 and 18:00 when you might have to pay the normal rate, rather than 7p.

Also 100 miles at 3.5mpkWh is only 28kWh, so 4 hours charging.

 

[ICDP]

You are using extreme examples to fit a narrative I think. There are plenty if used EVs that will be similarly priced to a similar age and style ICE that will still give saving for low mileage drivers.

Not just fuel but servicing and maintenance as well (less to go wrong and longer times between services).

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Now I love the idea of an EV as someone who does 100 miles per day when I work but sadly the charging schedules when I would get home and then need to come off charge would mean I don't get the cheaper costs and would need to charge probably 50% every time.

Surely a charging pod with a 12-7am tariff would get you charged back up?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Now I love the idea of an EV as someone who does 100 miles per day when I work but sadly the charging schedules when I would get home and then need to come off charge would mean I don't get the cheaper costs and would need to charge probably 50% every time. What I don't get is people who do 100 miles per week and then get one. You want to save fuel money by buying a more expensive car, horrendous residuals to save the £10 you were spending on fuel per week. I can see the maths if you're paying 250-400 pcp when you are already spending £250 on fuel per month but my monkey brain just cannot work out why someone doing 100 miles per week would bother.

A good EV tariff like Octopus Intelligent go means you can charge as much as you need at the cheap rate. Ovo anytime is literally any time.

I normal EV tariff will have sufficient time to add 100 miles in 6 hours to pretty much every car on the market in the U.K. It’s only when you start dipping below 3 miles per kWh when this even becomes a consideration. The Eon tariff gives you 7 hours, problem solved.

I may have to start doing 160 miles a day next year, it will not be a problem at all.

 

[Journey]

Surely a charging pod with a 12-7am tariff would get you charged back up?

He's likely a shift worker, my friend works nights and gets home at 08:00 and puts his car on charge with IOG, gets cheap slots most oft the day, and still gets the slots from 23:30 to 05:30, bonus!

 

[CaptainRAVE]

He's likely a shift worker, my friend works nights and gets home at 08:00 and puts his car on charge with IOG, gets cheap slots most oft the day, and still gets the slots from 23:30 to 05:30, bonus!

There do seem to be lots of options available now.

 

[Rroff]

But it isn’t remotely indicative, it’s not a case of arguing semantics over good or fair. It just isn’t.

On both my EVs I could have GoM variance of up to 30% on consecutive days. I can take a sedate 100 mile scenic trip and the GoM is reporting 275 miles total range. The next day I take a long motorway trip in the rain and my 100% “range” is 200 miles.

If you don’t know how an EV has been driven and on what roads and weather, you will have zero idea of SoH for reading a GoM.

You could take one of those vans you have access to and use it to do deliveries around the local town and it will tell you it has 150 miles potential range. The next day you use the van to do a delivery 50 miles up a motorway and back and you might have to use one of those vandalised local public chargers you’re going on about, because it will be lucky giving maybe 100 miles of range.

That doesn’t mean the battery SoH has degraded 33% overnight. Now can you see how a GoM is utterly useless to determine battery state of health.

Again not working with what I actually said and interjecting a load of embellishment of your own...

 

[sandys]

Now I love the idea of an EV as someone who does 100 miles per day when I work but sadly the charging schedules when I would get home and then need to come off charge would mean I don't get the cheaper costs and would need to charge probably 50% every time. What I don't get is people who do 100 miles per week and then get one. You want to save fuel money by buying a more expensive car, horrendous residuals to save the £10 you were spending on fuel per week. I can see the maths if you're paying 250-400 pcp when you are already spending £250 on fuel per month but my monkey brain just cannot work out why someone doing 100 miles per week would bother.

Even out side of cheap charging schedules it would still be cheaper versus petrol in an EV.

As for the 100 miles a week people, you can do these things just because you like nice things and you appreciate the benefits EV brings to the local environment, just because you want an EV doesn't automatically mean you're a tight arse

Crossing city stop start traffic in a EV is lovely for my 60 miles a week, well 40-60 miles a week depending on if I go in less or do a school run.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Do you have any more of the anti EV bingo myths you need me to tackle for you? Save everyone a lot of time?

 

[OspreyO]

Now I love the idea of an EV as someone who does 100 miles per day when I work but sadly the charging schedules when I would get home and then need to come off charge would mean I don't get the cheaper costs and would need to charge probably 50% every time. What I don't get is people who do 100 miles per week and then get one. You want to save fuel money by buying a more expensive car, horrendous residuals to save the £10 you were spending on fuel per week. I can see the maths if you're paying 250-400 pcp when you are already spending £250 on fuel per month but my monkey brain just cannot work out why someone doing 100 miles per week would bother.

Your kinda describing our use. Didn't do it to save fuel. Did it because doing lots of really short journeys urban heavy traffic especially in Winter car never got warmed up on the journey. Causing reliability issues on our ICE cars especially the diesel.

Wanted pre heating. Having to clear windows for 10 mins to drive 10 mins was getting a pita. Wanted electric windscreen same reason. Tbh subjective but electric is easier (and quicker) in traffic than our diesel automatic. Also wanted charging from home. Being told the car is empty at 11 at night when you've an early start was getting old.

We couldn't rely on the diesel so had to change anyway, but didn't want to buy new and everything used was diesel. If we'd gone new the were better petrol options. Also didn't want new EV as thought they were overpriced.

So didn't take a huge hit on depreciation as it was used. Did take more than if I'd bought petrol. But wouldn't have got the other things I wanted.

Mistake I did make was we basically downsized our main car with a 2nd , 2nd car. The intent being the EV would be the runabout 2nd car. Instead it's become the main car. The preferred car. Hardly drive the petrol we still have. Wasn't expecting that.

95% of our trips are short. Originally wanted a phev but used prices were crazy at the time. Not so much now for Phev. If I was doing longer journeys more regularly or even a big family trip on a few times a year, I might have gone a different way. We don't really do that anymore though..

 

[OspreyO]

Incidentally we are on 24hr tariff. Because I didn't think we'd switch so much driving to the EV and we don't have a smart meter. Always wanted to be able to top up the car when we felt like it and not be stuck to a schedule. Again with low mileage fuel saving weren't really a priority.

 

[jpaul]

On both my EVs I could have GoM variance of up to 30% on consecutive days. I can take a sedate 100 mile scenic trip and the GoM is reporting 275 miles total range. The next day I take a long motorway trip in the rain and my 100% “range” is 200 miles.

but you have a trip meter where you can rationalize/understand the discrepancy in m/kwh you are getting on both days
( Mokka had 2/3 trips/profiles - didn't seem to want to show me avg m/kwh over last 10/20 miles though, like I get on ice mpg, for ready-reckoning )

 

[Penfold101]

Incidentally we are on 24hr tariff. Because I didn't think we'd switch so much driving to the EV and we don't have a smart meter. Always wanted to be able to top up the car when we felt like it and not be stuck to a schedule. Again with low mileage fuel saving weren't really a priority.

I can override my charger at any point and make it charge - it’s programmed only operate between 12 and 5, but I can change that from my phone at any point, even if it’s at the normal tariff rate and not the cheaper one.

 

[OspreyO]

I can override my charger at any point and make it charge - it’s programmed only operate between 12 and 5, but I can change that from my phone at any point, even if it’s at the normal tariff rate and not the cheaper one.

I'm sure there are lots of way to do it. But wanted to make it plug and charge for the other half.

I've waiting on Smart meter but it's taking an age.

 

[Rroff]

Tbh subjective but electric is easier (and quicker) in traffic than our diesel automatic.

Will be subjective but also a power delivery thing rather than EV Vs ICE - one of the reasons I like an automatic diesel with a lot of torque and minimal power lag as it really does make traffic so much less stress compared to a gutless and/or laggy manual car.

 

[ICDP]

but you have a trip meter where you can rationalize/understand the discrepancy in m/kwh you are getting on both days
( Mokka had 2/3 trips/profiles - didn't seem to want to show me avg m/kwh over last 10/20 miles though, like I get on ice mpg, for ready-reckoning )

Exactly, looking at a GoM with zero context is utterly useless. I can sort of rationalise based on my known driving profile but even that will give zero indication that there is battery degradation at play. I can turn on the seat heat to make a bigger impact than the actual degradation my EV might have had over 3 years.

 

[gailjon]

Now I love the idea of an EV as someone who does 100 miles per day when I work but sadly the charging schedules when I would get home and then need to come off charge would mean I don't get the cheaper costs and would need to charge probably 50% every time. What I don't get is people who do 100 miles per week and then get one. You want to save fuel money by buying a more expensive car, horrendous residuals to save the £10 you were spending on fuel per week. I can see the maths if you're paying 250-400 pcp when you are already spending £250 on fuel per month but my monkey brain just cannot work out why someone doing 100 miles per week would bother.

Would your 'monkey brain' consider that there are many people buying used EVs so not experiencing the 'horrendous residuals that ALL cars have, not just EVs, or because they actually want to prevent poisoning the air that our children breathe? My wife went for a used Kona EV and I went for a used Q4 after years of running brand new cars. The benefit of EVs is that they don't have lalk the oily bits that can cause such problems on ICE used cars and they need far less sevcicing than ICE vehicles as well.
Perhaps the most disappointing issue in the discussion of EV purchase sis the constant belief that it is only saving money that is important, not the fact that they will prevent children dying of atmospheric pollution in our towns and cities.

 

[Mr Jack]

Fairly soon, it's going to be ICE residuals that are bad. More and more places will ban them due to air pollution, people will realise that EVs are better and cheaper to run, and fuel costs will rise as demand falls and governments no longer need to pander to them. Sure, some enthusiast cars will remain in demand but your tedious family crossover will be hard to shift.

EV residuals are bad mostly because EVs have got a lot better and cheaper over recent years, it is not a fixed property of the technology.

 

[Simon]

Would your 'monkey brain' consider that there are many people buying used EVs so not experiencing the 'horrendous residuals that ALL cars have, not just EVs, or because they actually want to prevent poisoning the air that our children breathe? My wife went for a used Kona EV and I went for a used Q4 after years of running brand new cars. The benefit of EVs is that they don't have lalk the oily bits that can cause such problems on ICE used cars and they need far less sevcicing than ICE vehicles as well.
Perhaps the most disappointing issue in the discussion of EV purchase sis the constant belief that it is only saving money that is important, not the fact that they will prevent children dying of atmospheric pollution in our towns and cities.

Banning wood burners would probably have more impact in many places. Modern ICE are often cleaner than the air going in with regards to Particulates.

But yes anything for local air quality is good. Just shame most EV drivers seem to rag there tyres in city traffic GPs though

 

[Stu999]

Should be pinned to the top of every page of this thread.