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Nathan said:
Just sold our trusty leaf for 4800. 2016 Acenta 24KW with 11 bars at 63k. I only paid 5k for it 3 years ago, brilliant.

Upgraded to an i3 which to be honest…feels like a downgrade interior wise.

Will probably change it for a mk2 leaf e+ next summer. We still use the ID4 for most journeys.
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What is it about the interior?
I find it a decent quality, spacious in the front with the gap between the seats helping. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the standard grey seats but I don't like the pale loft seats either. Most seem to be of the opinion the interior has a premium feel even if a little basic
 
Done an almost 600 mile round trip to Scotland and back and found that 150kW charging to be excellent, my previous car could do 100kW but in reality would drop to 80 and then 60 by about 50% charge. The Q8 will sit at 140-150kW all the way to 80% which fits perfectly with a Starbucks or McDonalds visit without any waiting. Anything faster charging wise wouldn't really be a benefit to me tbh.

350kW charger availability was excellent along the A1, several Starbucks with Ionity and Gridserve locations on the way. Never had to wait for a charger but on the way up both stops were busy.

Had an issue with Gridserve both times, stopped the charge after a few minutes, which is a real pain if you don't notice and go get something to eat. Ionity was flawless apart from the charger didn't take contactless and needed an account setup before connecting to the car (managed to crash one charger by getting this wrong).

Q8 Etron's efficiency is garbage, even getting 200 miles out of its 95kW is a tough ask on the motorway at just over 70.
 
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Caracus2k said:
That's a company that recycles batteries to extract the materials they contain.

Not a company that is re using the battery cells themselves.

Maybe you should have watched the video and have read the thread before posting such cringe?
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I did actually watch it when it came out.
You are correct that the topic was talking about recycling the batteries, so my apologies on that one.
So for reusing batteries here you go.
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Return of the LEAF: Robert drives his range extended EV home from Holland

To end 2021 we have a very special episode where Robert travels to Amsterdam to be reunited with a dear old friend. Robert's 2011 Nissan Leaf has been strand...
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cringe? are you 5?
 
adam cool dude said:
These are all your opinions though and not fact.
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Agreed, other than the lower fuel costs, which is fact (assuming you can charge at home), and based on the rest of your post, the other benefits (for you) outweigh those potential savings.

For me though, your "benefits" are meaningless. I don't care about going for a "spirited" drive, that phase is many years in the past (while I do enjoy the kick from 200hp of instant torque, it's so far down the list of priorities it's barely worth mentioning), I can count on 1 hand the number of trips per year outside the car's range (plus having kids means having to stop multiple times anyway, and it charges quick enough that a toilet break adds an extra 50+ miles).

I want something which is going to get me and my family from A to B safely, comfortably, and with minimal effort, an EV ticks all those boxes perfectly, never needing to waste time visiting a petrol station is lovely, and the fact it also "saves"* me ~£120/month in fuel is just a bonus. So to suggest an ICE, which ticks none of the boxes, and also costs me more, is a bit silly really :p


* Yes i'm aware I'm effectively paying for most of those "savings" up front in the cost of the vehicle, but since I do more mileage than you it mostly balances out
 
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Haggisman said:
Agreed, other than the lower fuel costs, which is fact (assuming you can charge at home), and based on the rest of your post, the other benefits (for you) outweigh those potential savings.
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ICE actually costs less when you factor in insurance costs and depreciation but you just totally ignore that. There is more to running a car than simple fuel costs.
 
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We went the electric route because the miss wanted a new car and it was time to move the 330d on. We are 30min out of town and daughter is starting high school next year, so lots of trips into town. Electric is just going to be cheaper for us to run. Fuel is expensive here and going up every other day. We just needed a car to get from A to B as cheaply as possable. And it loathes me to give all my money to Opec :/
 
m4rmite said:
I did actually watch it when it came out.
You are correct that the topic was talking about recycling the batteries, so my apologies on that one.
So for reusing batteries here you go.
www.youtube.com

Return of the LEAF: Robert drives his range extended EV home from Holland

To end 2021 we have a very special episode where Robert travels to Amsterdam to be reunited with a dear old friend. Robert's 2011 Nissan Leaf has been strand...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

cringe? are you 5?
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Is cringe posting a thing for you?

The subject was car batteries being 'high level' recycled for domestic power use by using the existing cells/modules/ batteries from an EV.


And your most recent posted video is a third party company using a battery from a damaged car to replace a worn down one from a car of the same model and reusing certain battery cells in a commercial and not residential setting !!

A third party company may he willing to take on the risk that may be present in reusing a battery from a damaged car but there's liability reasons as to why insures won't likely do this and you still seem to have fundamentally understood the topic.

Namely that it's not easy to reuse EV batteries, in a domestic, setting. Especially with some of the more recently used batteries where the battery can't easily be split into its component parts as its been used 'structurally'. And because the dimensions of EV battery packs, as a whole, are often quite awkward for domestic installation in one piece.
 
Why is there just so much made up stuff when it comes to EVs?

Adam cool we get your view and opinion but that’s all it is. Pretty much all EV drivers have driven ICE and indeed some still have ICE cars. I don’t know if it’s jpaul who’s set the trend for the conjecture diatribe here.
 
adam cool dude said:
ICE actually costs less when you factor in insurance costs and depreciation but you just totally ignore that. There is more to running a car than simple fuel costs.
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Indeed

Model Y insurance group 46 and upwards

(Most commonly sold EV)

Audi SQ5 42 - 45

(Figures from Parkers)

And how's that depreciation working out....

Used electric cars look tempting after big depreciation hit | Auto Express

Faster depreciation means used EV deals may look tempting next to more expensive hybrid and petrol rivals
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Prices for used petrol, diesel and hybrid cars remain high in the post-pandemic secondhand market, but electric models are depreciating much faster than their petrol or hybrid equivalents.
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how many people buy brand new model Ys out of their own pocket however and how many get them on work lease?.

with all the tax breaks and what not my mates model Y is stupidly cheap, far less than any equivalent ice car. add to that cheap home charging and cheap Tesla public charging ICE cars can't compete.

I would never buy a new car however and I don't get the perks for a nice new lease ..... so I buy 2nd hand... and it is then where I am more than happy to reap the benefits of a high initial depreciation at the moment.

As for insurance ....

I don't really want to tempt fate and certainly I am a little worried about my renewal but my 400bhp equivalent ipace worth maybe 33k is only £525ish with protected NCB back in june.

my 2012 nissan QQ 1.5l diesel worth 5k was £250.

7 years ago my nissan 3.5l V6 350z worth maybe £8k was around £450 (from memory) but bear in mind the pound was worth a lot more then
 
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bigmike20vt said:
how many people buy brand new model Ys out of their own pocket however and how many get them on work lease?.

with all the tax breaks and what not my mates model Y is stupidly cheap, far less than any equivalent ice car.
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EV'S being 'cheap' on lease under goverment schemes (bribes) at this stage in their development isn't quite the flex you think it is.


And companies that rent out EV's are already in trouble, due to afermentioned depreciation, and so we will have to see how this filters through to these 'cheap' longer lease deals.....

news.sky.com

Electric vehicle leasing group Onto collapses after L&G pulls plug

Onto, which had raised hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and equity financing, called in administrators on Monday after failing to find a buyer, Sky News learns.
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I am not trying to flex . that is just in your head countering your claim that the new model Y is so expensive.
personally I think buying any brand new car out of your own pocket it a bit bonkers unless it is some sort of a subsidised lease but that is just me
 
bigmike20vt said:
I am not trying to flex . that is just in your head countering your claim that the new model Y is so expensive.
personally I think buying any brand new car out of your own pocket it a bit bonkers unless it is some sort of a subsidised lease but that is just me
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Your not 'buying' a car if its on a lease.....
 
bigmike20vt said:
the thing I find very sad is IF I got a horrible renewal (and I am expecting an increase but not the figures some are claiming)...

is that you would be delighted IF it happened, which I find weird.
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I'm not happy.... actually

And that's because I strongly suspect that everyone's insurance is going up (including people with ICE cars) at least in part to subsidise EV insurance costs because insurance companies are under pressure to not refect the true costs of insuring EV's
 
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