EVO Experts and those who just generally know about new EVO's

Gibbo · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:07

Wayn0r said:
According to the figures, the r34 gtr is only 40kg more than the evo (curb weight).

But, i can see how it would feel like a big car. The ST220 is a big car with a big engine, but when i get into the golf, it feels as big as the mondeo whereas its really not.

I wont argue anyones point that the r34 gtr doesnt handle well. But, your mustangs handling setup aint standard is it ?

as has been said, spend a couple of k on an r34 to sort the suspension out and get a few more bhp.

but thats just me, its your choice

Hi there

Nope the Mustang aint standard and like I said against a standard R34 GTR the Mustang feels the more focused and more nimble car to drive. Like you say throw some money at an R34 and it will turn into a sublime handling and straight line machine no doubt.

Just R34's for what is now an old car aint cheap and I stand by what I've said a Z06 will eat an R34 GTR both on the road and at the track and to get an R34 GTR even close to the Z06's all round performance it would cost mega money but hey everybody likes different things.

The EVO 9's according to Mitsubishi are 1400-1460kg dependent on model and toys etc.

An R34 GTR V-Spec which is the one to have weighs 1540-1600kg dependent on where you look, thats a lot more than 40kg weight difference.

Gibbo · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:11

Cryfreeman said:
in that case buy a lower power 300 model. Pump+ecutek and your towards 400bhp

Hi m8

This is what I am trying to find out.

Are the FQ300, FQ320 an FQ340 all identical accept for the ECU map?

I know the FQ360 has a bigger fuel pump and again different ECU map but is that it when it comes down to the important stuff such as handling, stopping and get up and go?
The FQ360 I drove is a 6-speed, are the other models 6-speed or 5-speed. Also how does the MR version differ?

What is ecutek? Got any websites for me to look at please?

Gaijin · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:15

Cryfreeman said:
in that case buy a lower power 300 model. Pump+ecutek and your towards 400bhp

Will probably take a bit more than that. I think you are looking at hard pipe kit, induction, 4" downpipe back exhaust plus de/hi flow cat, ecutek, walbro 255 and possibly turbo elbow.

Over 400bhp is pushing your luck on stock internals and stock turbo. Mpt to mention the OEM clutch which is reknowned for crapping itself.

North of 400bhp gets expensive and quick. You are looking at pistons and rods, arp bolts, cams, turbo, mani - none of which are cheap!

Cryfreeman · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:19

I see you listed 30-130 on ya stang as in the 13's bud.

MLR did a 30-130 day a few months back.

Quickest stock Turbo car on the day was 11.3. Not sure how he did that! (race fuel though)

Mr320 with Ecutek @ 14.99(320bhp atw good driver I guess)

Thoughts where that a 400bhp Evo full weight is high 16's to 17's secs flat 30-130

Cryfreeman · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:24

Gaijin said:
Will probably take a bit more than that. I think you are looking at hard pipe kit, induction, 4" downpipe back exhaust plus de/hi flow cat, ecutek, walbro 255 and possibly turbo elbow.

Over 400bhp is pushing your luck on stock internals and stock turbo. Mpt to mention the OEM clutch which is reknowned for crapping itself.

North of 400bhp gets expensive and quick. You are looking at pistons and rods, arp bolts, cams, turbo, mani - none of which are cheap!

4" downpipe?

edit : (ah downpipe back

)

400bhp on stock Turbo is ok, all depends which model Evo your trying to do it from. The new Mr Rs's come with a smaller Turbo I beleive

Turbo for over 400bhp = Evo green. around 1k

Pistons and rods dont cost a massive amount I dont think, eagle rods good for 600bhp and around 250 a set from memory

Gibbo · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:24

Cryfreeman said:
I see you listed 30-130 on ya stang as in the 13's bud.

MLR did a 30-130 day a few months back.

Quickest stock Turbo car on the day was 11.3. Not sure how he did that! (race fuel though)

Mr320 with Ecutek @ 14.99(320bhp atw good driver I guess)

Thoughts where that a 400bhp Evo full weight is high 16's to 17's secs flat 30-130

HI m8

If I get one the mods I am willing to do would be:-
CAI
DE-CAT
Blow off valve if it helps performance (Don't want stupid noisy thing though)
Exhaust
Fuel Pump
Remap / ecutek thing (what is this, who does it do, website please?)

I don't really want to do much more and want reliable power so anywhere around 380ish would do me, would the above manage that?

I know an EVO is not gonna be Stang quick past 60mph unless I want to spend thousands. However where the EVO will win is no doubt below 60mph and possibly slightly higher, but if I can at least get it within a few seconds that will not only be very quick but power and performance that is also very usable.

If a guy managed 15s across the 30-130mph with 320ATW which is circa 400 horses thats very impressive and remembering they also used proper GPS calibrated timing gear too. If I could get that kind of acceleration from an EVO I'd be happy and even more so by the fact that its so usable.

Cryfreeman · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:27

380 should be no problem at all with them mods gibbo.

Chances are you will find a 9 with mods all ready done, doesnt seem to be many about not touched

Gibbo · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:30

Cryfreeman said:
380 should be no problem at all with them mods gibbo.

Chances are you will find a 9 with mods all ready done, doesnt seem to be many about not touched

Hi m8

Whats the ecutek thingy, any tuning sites you can point me in the direction off please?

Also I know the MR has bilstein shocks, does only the MR have these out of the EVO 9 series, any other differences and why are these better?

Any chances you can look over my other questions as well please and answer if you know?

Gaijin · 9 Jul 2007 at 23:49

Cryfreeman said:
Pistons and rods dont cost a massive amount I dont think, eagle rods good for 600bhp and around 250 a set from memory

I guess that shows my wage bracket

Gibbo, ecutek is probably the most popular way of tuning the EMS, I believe its essentially a reflash although I may be wrong. Theres a good article on the MLR comparing ecu tuning for evo's i'll see if i can dig it out.

Hell, search the lancer register and you'll find all the info you want - its definately one of the better car forums.

Meridian · 10 Jul 2007 at 07:20

Gibbo said:
My only issue is if I get an EVO do I have to get a burberry cap to in order to fit in?

No mate, you need an ear pierced and your hair shaved off. You might be OK with a number 1/2, but no longer than that....

M

Meridian · 10 Jul 2007 at 07:21

BigshotPie said:
Evo it is then. The subaru looked horrible on the track in the topgear vid, some serious understeer.

That understeer can be mostly dialed out for about £250, and completely removed for about £500. I can only assume that Subaru wanted it for some reason.

M

tbz_ck · 10 Jul 2007 at 09:07

Gibbo,

Repeat after me 1000 times until brainwashed:

"I WILL BUY THE CORVETTE Z06"

Tax Evader · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:07

We're losing him, we're losing him to the chavs! :eek:

Bring in the CSL defibrillator - maybe we can save him!

Simon · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:10

Tax Evader said:
We're losing him, we're losing him to the chavs!

Bring in the CSL defibrillator - maybe we can save him!

Agreed CSL > Evo, no contest.

Gaijin · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:13

Tax Evader said:
We're losing him, we're losing him to the chavs!

Bring in the CSL defibrillator - maybe we can save him!

Don't listen to him!

Come towards the white light!

The days of getting drunk on the street and smashing up bus shelters for no apparent reason are upon you!

[TW]Fox · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:29

Gibbo said:
I've been checking that out, but its too modified for me really,

You supercharged a Mustang and left virtually no part stock, how can a car be too modified for you :confused:

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:51

[TW]Fox said:
You supercharged a Mustang and left virtually no part stock, how can a car be too modified for you

Hi there

The American insurers seem far less bothered about mods, the supercharger, suspension etc. was easy too add to the policy and added little money.

Wheras on an EVO such a long list of parts will either be hard to insure or just cost a small fortune extra.

It appears that EVO IX's are very tunable, you can start with a base FQ300, doo a remap, de-cat, filter, fuel pump and exhaust etc. for circa £1000 and the results are circa 400/400.

panthro · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:58

Gibbo said:
It appears that EVO IX's are very tunable, you can start with a base FQ300, doo a remap, de-cat, filter, fuel pump and exhaust etc. for circa £1000 and the results are circa 400/400.

All that is going to cost you a lot more than 1k. Try closer to 3k.

eidolon · 10 Jul 2007 at 10:59

Isn't an Evo just going to be like your GTO in that it takes zero skill to drive it fast?

[TW]Fox · 10 Jul 2007 at 11:01

It seems strange that you are considering moving from a highly modified £40,000 car to a £20k car with a concern for how many mods it has?

Surely you can use the same insurer? I mean.. if you are saving £20k on the price of the car over what you were going to buy who cares what the insurance costs?