EVO Experts and those who just generally know about new EVO's
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Gibbo said:Those who are just literally fitting the Ecutek upgrade are seeing 365-380BHP with just that mod, which for £550+VAT is fantastic value for something that does not void warranty.
Don't know about that mate - that seem awfully optimistic especially without breathing mods.
Panthro - AFAIK 400bhp should be fine for the stock IC?
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why not just buy an Evo 7 for a lot less and razz it round for a bit and sell it for similar price when you have had your fun in 6 months?
MTA99 said:Didn't RalliArt sell a road legal rally replica EVO some years ago with Anti-lag as an option? I'm struggling to remember the name....
I'm not sure anti-lag is illegal as such, more that large amounts of fuel burning in the exhaust is not only loud and dirty but the flames out the back aren't particularly friendly to other road users
I'm pretty sure the fireballs, emissions and noise make it illegal - and it was added as a 'track option' and not for road use.
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Gibbo 380 or so bhp =
Walbro pump
Ecutek
Decat.
Maybe air filter for extra suck
probally get one of the many tuners on MLR to do this for like 1k ish all in.
Dont listen to people saying you need to spend silly money because you dont.
Walbro pump
Ecutek
Decat.
Maybe air filter for extra suck
probally get one of the many tuners on MLR to do this for like 1k ish all in.
Dont listen to people saying you need to spend silly money because you dont.
Cryfreeman said:Gibbo 380 or so bhp =
Walbro pump
Ecutek
Decat.
Maybe air filter for extra suck
probally get one of the many tuners on MLR to do this for like 1k ish all in.
Dont listen to people saying you need to spend silly money because you dont.
i dont think the people are saying you have to spend silly money to get the bhp, rather spending a little extra to make it more efficient, hence the aftermarket fmic etc etc
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Wayn0r said:
True and APS do a nice one
Thing is with Evo's is that stupid prices start to get thrown about.
Had a 600bhp capable 4g63 built for 2k (obviously no turbo/ecu)
I should point out that WRC Tech have gone bankrupt...
The limiting factor for easy modding is likely to be the turbo. I can't help feeling that a turbo designed for 300-340 bhp might reach its limit before 400bh, but I don't know enough about Evos to be sure.
My understanding of anti-lag is that basically it's just a spark unit inside the up-pipe. This ignites the unburnt fuel in the exhaust characteristic of turbo-charged engines, and this raises the pressure to keep the turbo spinning. As long as any exhaust gas is being produced, the turbo keeps spinning. What it does to the turbo lifespan is another question.
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The limiting factor for easy modding is likely to be the turbo. I can't help feeling that a turbo designed for 300-340 bhp might reach its limit before 400bh, but I don't know enough about Evos to be sure.
My understanding of anti-lag is that basically it's just a spark unit inside the up-pipe. This ignites the unburnt fuel in the exhaust characteristic of turbo-charged engines, and this raises the pressure to keep the turbo spinning. As long as any exhaust gas is being produced, the turbo keeps spinning. What it does to the turbo lifespan is another question.
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Mitsi sold the FQ400 with a 3 year/36k mile warranty, so i think the engine might just be good for it, especially as Gibbo has said more than once that he wouldn't be looking for more than 400bhp anyway.BigshotPie said:
now that's very tasty.Cryfreeman said:
and subtle although i use the term in relative context.
anti-lag makes me horny.Gibbo said:
does wonders for standing start launches too IMHO.
Meridian said:
Hi there
Thats good to know m8, but seems to be quite a few guys on Lancer Register recommending them so maybe they are still going under new ownership?
The Turbo on the FQ range, bear in mind I say FQ range is supposedly good for upto 450ish maximum I believe. You can buy the FQ400 turbo which is good for 500+ but as we know the FQ400 turbo unit has some serious lag.
On the EVO 9's the FQ range so FQ300, FQ320, FQ340 and FQ360 all use the same turbo unit. Also all the FQ cars have the Bilstein suspension that was present on only the EVO 8 MR cars, it supposedly improves handling further.
So basically the EVO 9 FQ cars are all identical. The only difference with th FQ360 is it has an uprated fuel pump along with some carbon stuck on bits.
So essentially in my case its best to find a cheap relative low mileage bargain EVO 9, say an FQ300 or FQ320. Then take it down to Matt@TRL tell him I want CAI, de-cat, ecutek, fuel pump and exhaust fitting with the car tuned for maximum drivability over peak power. So it mapped to bring power in lower, so more drivable but maybe at the sacrifice of a little top-end power. The guys over at the Lancer register with such mods on EVO 9's are seeing 385-415BHP or basically 300-315 at the wheels. For me IF I BUY AN EVO will be plenty and for circa £1000 is a damn good deal. Reports are the mapping completely transforms the car making them so much better to drive and much quicker.
Fair enough the EVO might not be 50k's worth of car, it might not be particulary special and maybe slightly chavish and as such if I got one many of you may wonder why, lets just say its car I'd like to own, it might only be a short period but still a car I'd like to own, if I got bored of it then I can sell it.
Obviously if I did get an EVO it leaves me with a considerable sum of money left over, which would just be left in saving to accrue interest and add additional savings. This would mean in 6 months time I could either sell the EVO and buy something really special, maybe a Gallardo or much newer Z06 or simply buy an older Z06 and keep the EVO as well. So Z06 for summer and track days and EVO for winter and track days.
I've got a few more cars to drive yet but for a 4WD car the EVO left me impressed, it had steering feel, albeit not that of a Porsche but it did handle fantastic, infact amazingly well and is a very usable day to day car that one can simply use for anything. Obviously when I get in the RS4 and Porsches the EVO idea might dissapear completely from my head and I am sure Elliot is going to try and convince me a CSL is the way forward.
I will be honest I actually want to buy a Z06, Z4MC and an EVO. Each one of those cars impressed me in a different way but unfortunately I can only own one at a time. If I could afford them all then the Mustang would not be going anywhere either because with the great weather the Stang is so much fun to drive.
No doubt when I've driven the Porsches, RS4 and CSL I will no doubt want one of those as well. Hence why I am so confused because each car leaves me thinking well thats was best at this but this one was better at that. I've never struggled so much before with next car decision.
Rest assured whatever I buy, it will get pampered and won't remain standard for too long.
What amazes me about these forums is because I might possibly decide to buy what is a car far lower than my budget everybody is why would you want to do that. Fact is a car does not need to be 50k to necessary be the best at everything, prime examples of this are the EVO and S2000.
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[TW]Fox said:Given that you loved the V8 power of the Z06, but you enjoyed the M Power Z4, but you really quite like a 4 door Evo why not consider a car with aspects of all 3 rolled into one? Say, a V8, M Power 4 door saloon?
Say... an E39 M5
HI m8
Nice try!
Nothing wrong with an M5 and the older ones are absolute bargains, even the new V10's are now getting so cheap, think I saw one advertised at 40k recently. However the M5 is a car which does not appeal to me, I've gotta go with my heart and the M5 is not on the short list.
Yes you are right the Z06 I want for the looks, rarity and that crazy performance, plus the fact its quicker than a certain persons 911 turbo, gotta think of the race to the pub.
Even though its not 911 turbo handling, my god its damn good, only let downs been the steering, crap gearbox and its the most expensive, however for the car it is then its also great value. Plus tuning and big power comes easy, should we say 600+BHP for about 2k. Plus the ability to change the leaf springs for coil overs also vastly improves the car on UK roads.The Z4MC I loved the interior, it was sooo sexy in car standards, I also quite like the looks and dare I say it rarity for a BMW. Fair enough its not so hot on the straights and even though it is quick the power delivery is not at all peaky or torquy. However the gokart style handling, the good steering feel and just the fact it felt special was great. Also the LSD settings make for some fun but it can also go from A-B rather quick too. Supposedly some minor camber tweaks to the suspension can allow these things to keep with a CSL on track, so certainly capable. Off putting thing is they are hard to find and generally depreciate like a bomb. Loosing 5-8k within 12 months ownership.
The Mitsubishi, OK its ugly, its boring to look at and for what it cost its not cheap to run either. However it feels hugely fast, well the FQ360 I drove did, so one can only imagine what a run-in car with close to 400 horses must feel like. Its also got something that most 4WD cars don't have and thats good steering feel thats weighty. The handling and grip are fantastic and as such even though its very easy to drive quick can also be fun though as well, especially in poor road conditions. Bargains can be had and good power gains come cheap if you don't want huge power.
So as you can see each car appeals to me in different ways and as such choosing one is very hard.
The way I see it an EVO if purchased well would be a safe buy, something to play with for 6-12 months.
If I can get a dealer to meet my demands of 48-50k for a Euro car thats 2006/2007 on a low mileage Z06 then yes I'd buy one straight away because at the moment they are fetching north of 55k and as such trying to get a dealer to drop their pants so much is proving hard, but I will keep pushing. So if I got a Euro/UK Z06 for 50k I know in 12 months it would still fetch that kind of money and hence I've not lost a penny.
As much as I like the Z4MC the huge depreciation possibility and the rumours of poor reliability (check pistonheads, owners with issues) is a little off putting on what is otherwise a great car.
We shall next see what I think of the other cars on my list. Porsches will no doubt be best but for circa 50k that gets you an out of warranty of 911 turbo or just in warranty GT3. They could end up costing a bomb to run and as such might be more sensible to wait until I could throw 60-70k at one and thats if after driving one I really want one of course.
Simon said:Stop messing about, just go get a CSL
Evo's just have that 'look' about them that i don't like. Most people on the street will just think its some rude boy Car with all its spoilers and bumpers
Hi there
I agree with you on the EVO, I myself think of them as been driven by chavs and rude buys, just the image the car has been given. Elliot come on convince me a CSL is the way forward.
Wayn0r said:
Hi there
Yep am looking forward to it. Driven the S4 V8 before, but not the new one. I suspect the RS4 will be a lot quicker in comparison to the EVO once past 80ish when those cubic inches start doing their stuff.