EVO Experts and those who just generally know about new EVO's

Simon · 10 Jul 2007 at 11:19

eidolon said:
Isn't an Evo just going to be like your GTO in that it takes zero skill to drive it fast?

Exactly, and it's this reason I though Gibbo liked his S2000

merlin · 10 Jul 2007 at 11:25

You will get bored of the Evo very quickly.

Jonnycoupe · 10 Jul 2007 at 11:34

All the talk of the posh stuff liek 911's and Z06 that really are great cars suprised me that you'd go for the uber spec toy Evo ready for a big deprciation. Has your budget changed 'cos thats the only reason I can think of going for an evo over a 996 GT3.

panthro · 10 Jul 2007 at 11:38

merlin said:
You will get bored of the Evo very quickly.

Why?

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 12:25

panthro said:
All that is going to cost you a lot more than 1k. Try closer to 3k.

HI there

Remap at TRL is £550+VAT, this sees you around 380 area. For an extra £50 there is an anti-lagg option, what is this?

Then fuel pump is £130 fitted and £60 for a decat which should give you close to 400/400, if not air filter and full exhaust will get you there, all at a cost, but its certainly not 3k. Was reading lots on the Lancer register last night and the EVO 9's are cheaper, easier and safer to mod.

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 12:26

[TW]Fox said:
It seems strange that you are considering moving from a highly modified £40,000 car to a £20k car with a concern for how many mods it has?

Surely you can use the same insurer? I mean.. if you are saving £20k on the price of the car over what you were going to buy who cares what the insurance costs?

Hi there

Fox I could have a million pound in the bank, but I'd still search for best possible deal always. Just because I might have 30k in the bank does not mean I am gonna sit back and let an insurance company have my pants down and as such I will still push the cheapest insurance quote I can get. On any car relevant if it cost 20k below my budget or 20k over it.

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 12:29

Simon said:
Exactly, and it's this reason I though Gibbo liked his S2000

Hi there

Loved the S2000, would even consider another one. Really liked the EVO too and it was 4WD. Mustang is great too and the Z06 was also fantastic.

Fact is I'd quite possibly like to own them all, its like each car satisfies something else within me, or maybe I am just getting blinded by the prospect of having a new toy to play with.

Yeah the 3000GT was boring on the handling side, mainly due to weight, but the EVO did seem a lot more focused and did communicate feedback, obviously still not as fun as RWD or takes the skill involved but it was not boring like the 3000GT.

I am trying to convince Mitsubishi into a 24hr test drive.

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 12:31

Jonnycoupe said:
All the talk of the posh stuff liek 911's and Z06 that really are great cars suprised me that you'd go for the uber spec toy Evo ready for a big deprciation. Has your budget changed 'cos thats the only reason I can think of going for an evo over a 996 GT3.

If I go EVO and if I buy right then big depreciation is not a worry. An FQ360 would be huge depreciation yes, but an FQ300/FQ320 bought at a bargain price, then sold 6 months later will loose me very little if anything.

In the meantime I can just leave 30k+ in the bank and continue adding to that or jump onto something else that takes my fancy when such a vehicle comes along.

I am still undecided and heavily confused as what to go for, its all hard work.

[TW]Fox · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:02

Gibbo said:
Hi there

Fox I could have a million pound in the bank, but I'd still search for best possible deal always.

There is a difference between trying to get the best deal and avoiding nicely modified cars becuase the insurance is expensive, surely?

Wayn0r · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:09

Anti lag is just that, Anti lag. it keeps the turbo spining whilst not under load, puts a lot of pressure onto the turbo istelf alkthough these days they can handle it.

just youtube anti-lag and you will see/hear it, sounds like a rally car.

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:23

[TW]Fox said:
There is a difference between trying to get the best deal and avoiding nicely modified cars becuase the insurance is expensive, surely?

HI there

Its a nice car, but for the finished result its overpriced in comparison to other EVO's or against stock cars. Buying that one would no doubt loose 5-7k in depreciation over 6 months though. If I get an EVO I need to find a good buy to limit any depreciation factor involved. In other words, buy a nice standard car with low mileage, do some simple easy mods, enjoy it and sell on in 6 months for little to no loss.

An EVO is not yet dead set but its an option on my list.

Wayn0r · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:26

what happened to the rs4 test drive?

panthro · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:41

Gibbo said:
HI there

Remap at TRL is £550+VAT, this sees you around 380 area. For an extra £50 there is an anti-lagg option, what is this?

Then fuel pump is £130 fitted and £60 for a decat which should give you close to 400/400, if not air filter and full exhaust will get you there, all at a cost, but its certainly not 3k. Was reading lots on the Lancer register last night and the EVO 9's are cheaper, easier and safer to mod.

To get a safe 400bhp you need more than what you listed. You will need a better exhaust system, the uprated fuel pump, the ECUTek remap, an CAI and possibly a bigger FMIC. All that fitted will cost a fair bit more than 1k. You will not make a genuine 400bhp at the flywheel from an FQ300 for 1k. Ive researched this a lot as I was considering an Evo before I bought my Subaru.

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:51

Wayn0r said:
what happened to the rs4 test drive?

Hi there

Demo car arrives at dealer tomorrow.

Lowe · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:53

Wayn0r said:
Anti lag is just that, Anti lag. it keeps the turbo spining whilst not under load, puts a lot of pressure onto the turbo istelf alkthough these days they can handle it.

just youtube anti-lag and you will see/hear it, sounds like a rally car.

Isn't anti lag also seriously illegal for the road as well?

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:53

panthro said:
To get a safe 400bhp you need more than what you listed. You will need a better exhaust system, the uprated fuel pump, the ECUTek remap, an CAI and possibly a bigger FMIC. All that fitted will cost a fair bit more than 1k. You will not make a genuine 400bhp at the flywheel from an FQ300 for 1k. Ive researched this a lot as I was considering an Evo before I bought my Subaru.

The info I have is:-
Ecutek - £550 +VAT including dyno time
Fuel Pump - £130 +VAT fitted
Downpipe - £60 +VAT fitted

That sees 380-400 horses according to Matt@TRL

Like you say a CAI and exhaust do help, but I've priced this all up last night and spoke to many EVO owners who used TRL and are very impressed with the results. However its only the EVO 9 FQ cars that tune so easily, an EVO 8 cost substancially more, so maybe this is where your thinking of the higher prices?

panthro · 10 Jul 2007 at 13:59

Gibbo said:
The info I have is:-
Ecutek - £550 +VAT including dyno time
Fuel Pump - £130 +VAT fitted
Downpipe - £60 +VAT fitted

That sees 380-400 horses according to Matt@TRL

Like you say a CAI and exhaust do help, but I've priced this all up last night and spoke to many EVO owners who used TRL and are very impressed with the results. However its only the EVO 9 FQ cars that tune so easily, an EVO 8 cost substancially more, so maybe this is where your thinking of the higher prices?

Its the same engine apart from MIVEC. I will be really surprised if you get 400bhp from that.

http://www.wrc-tech.net/mitsubishi-performance-evo9-wrc400.htm

MTA99 · 10 Jul 2007 at 14:04

Lowe said:
Isn't anti lag also seriously illegal for the road as well?

Didn't RalliArt sell a road legal rally replica EVO some years ago with Anti-lag as an option? I'm struggling to remember the name....

I'm not sure anti-lag is illegal as such, more that large amounts of fuel burning in the exhaust is not only loud and dirty but the flames out the back aren't particularly friendly to other road users

Gibbo · 10 Jul 2007 at 14:21

panthro said:
Its the same engine apart from MIVEC. I will be really surprised if you get 400bhp from that.

http://www.wrc-tech.net/mitsubishi-performance-evo9-wrc400.htm

Hi there

Fair enough, all I am posting here is what people over at the Lancer register have actually done.

Those who are just literally fitting the Ecutek upgrade are seeing 365-380BHP with just that mod, which for £550+VAT is fantastic value for something that does not void warranty.

If I got an EVO 400/400 is just a figure, if I ended up with 388ish for less than 1k then that is fine by my book, as a further 2k for an extra 20BHP or so starts to get expensive for little gains.

I am sure an EVO pushing 380-400 on both BHP and Torque no doubt goes pretty well.

The guys over at Lancer say an EVO fitted with the Ecutek is a huge improvement due to how the power is delivered after the ecutek, supposedly makes the car so more drivable and much quicker.

panthro · 10 Jul 2007 at 15:09

Gibbo said:
Hi there

Fair enough, all I am posting here is what people over at the Lancer register have actually done.

Those who are just literally fitting the Ecutek upgrade are seeing 365-380BHP with just that mod, which for £550+VAT is fantastic value for something that does not void warranty.

If I got an EVO 400/400 is just a figure, if I ended up with 388ish for less than 1k then that is fine by my book, as a further 2k for an extra 20BHP or so starts to get expensive for little gains.

I am sure an EVO pushing 380-400 on both BHP and Torque no doubt goes pretty well.

The guys over at Lancer say an EVO fitted with the Ecutek is a huge improvement due to how the power is delivered after the ecutek, supposedly makes the car so more drivable and much quicker.

Thats true regarding the ecutek because its a live remap. They spend a lot of time with the car both static and whilst you are driving the car (the live mapping part of it) and most ecutek maps are tailored to how you want the car to perform.
Also, are you sure remapping doesnt invalidate warranty, as its 3rd party software being installed onto the car. If mitsu were to plug the car into a diagnostics machine then they would be able to tell that its been remapped.