Evolution or God

Penfold101 said:
It happened everywhere, and time as we know it began at the same time. ‘Before’ and ‘outside’ make no sense in terms of the Big Bang, which is still going on to this day - it simply describes the expansion of the universe from its beginning, highly dense, state.
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But where did that mass come from? Delving deeper, where did the light come from?
 
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JollyJamma said:
It's just the big bang theory but they explain how they try to figure out where anything like it could have happened and what space actually meant using their maths formulas.
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Man I hate that show. Thanks for the pointers, I did actually cover a brief history of time briefly during my degree however my memory sucks. I recall it being more philosophical than academic, but I could be misremembering.

If you wish to delve deeper into the link between physics and consciousness then I recommend a doc call What The Bleep Do We Know. It's relating quantum physics to our "spiritual" world, much more interesting, although does not cover creation, however may cover "God".
 
Angilion said:
If you know we don't know, why do you feel any need to pretend you know? That's what belief is - a claim of knowing.

All that making up an external entity does is evade the "how did it happen?" question away by moving the "how did it happen?" question from humans to the entity you make up. It's not an answer. It's a way to avoid the question by pretending it's been answered. Sounds a bit daft to me.

Also, you're confusing biogenesis with evolution. They're completely different things.
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I don't feel the need to pretend, I just don't know. Can you name anyone who does? If so end of discussion. This does not mean I have a belief, I am open-minded. Kent Hovind has a belief we were created by God, hence this thread Creationist or Evolutionism. Evolution or God.

This topic was created as an open discussion, Kent Hovind's argument is exactly what I wrote, go and watch some of his videos. He often uses the word evolved from 'soup' when debating creationism, often stating evolution did not happen, after all a frog is a frog. When has it ever been different and how come we cannot see a frog changing into something else now? Why billions of years ago? Why hasn't a rabbit developed wings? If this was to happen in a lab it exactly falls into his creation belief, we were created.

I find this topic interesting, I am not claiming I know how evolution works or biogenesis. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word 'we' :)


The term evolution is widely used, but the term evolutionism is not used in the scientific community to refer to evolutionary biology as it is redundant and anachronistic.[6]

However, the term has been used by creationists in discussing the creation–evolution controversy.[6] For example, the Institute for Creation Research, in order to imply placement of evolution in the category of 'religions', including atheism, fascism, humanism and occultism, commonly uses the words evolutionism and evolutionist to describe the consensus of mainstream science and the scientists subscribing to it, thus implying through language that the issue is a matter of religious belief.[10] The BioLogos Foundation, an organization that promotes the idea of theistic evolution, uses the term "evolutionism" to describe "the atheistic worldview that so often accompanies the acceptance of biological evolution in public discourse." It views this as a subset of scientism.
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Le Clandestin Brun said:
But where did that mass come from? Delving deeper, where did the light come from?
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We don’t know where the singularity that expanded into the Universe came from. That’s all there is to it.


Steven Rimmington said:
I don't feel the need to pretend, I just don't know. Can you name anyone who does? If so end of discussion. This does not mean I have a belief, I am open-minded. Kent Hovind has a belief we were created by God, hence this thread Creationist or Evolutionism. Evolution or God.

This topic was created as an open discussion, Kent Hovind's argument is exactly what I wrote, go and watch some of his videos. He often uses the word evolved from 'soup' when debating creationism, often stating evolution did not happen, after all a frog is a frog. When has it ever been different and how come we cannot see a frog changing into something else now? Why billions of years ago? Why hasn't a rabbit developed wings? If this was to happen in a lab it exactly falls into his creation belief, we were created.

I find this topic interesting, I am not claiming I know how evolution works or biogenesis. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word 'we' :)
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Kent Hovind knows nothing about science, he’s just a tax dodging criminal who grifts his way through life with a pretend PhD from a Christian university. His son is just as bad.

Also, evolution has been observed, in nature and in the lab.
 
Steven Rimmington said:
When has it ever been different and how come we cannot see a frog changing into something else now? Why billions of years ago? Why hasn't a rabbit developed wings? If this was to happen in a lab it exactly falls in:)
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Please tell me you're joking right?

Do you know how long life and organisms have been around? I'd reccomend reading "The Greatest Show On Earth" Its tough going at times but helps with putting the timeline in perspective.

"wHy cAnT wE sEe mOnKeYs eVoLvE iN tO hUmAnS"
 
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Johno please? said:
Please tell me you're joking right?

Do you know how long life and organisms have been around? I'd reccomend reading "The Greatest Show On Earth" Its tough going at times but helps with putting the timeline in perspective.

"wHy cAnT wE sEe mOnKeYs eVoLvE iN tO hUmAnS"
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Is that question aimed at me? I'm simply putting forward questions used by creationism, to be more specific Kent Hovind, he has noted this in numerous videos posted on his channel. The post you quoted is questions he asks.

I know nothing :D
 
adidan said:
I think evolving from a passing alien that happened to sneeze on an early earth is most likely.

We're not special we're just alien snot.
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You're saying we were sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure?

Le Clandestin Brun said:
But where did that mass come from? Delving deeper, where did the light come from?
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Mass and Energy are directly equivalent and interchangeable i.e. E=mc2 there just happened to be a slight excess of matter over antimatter so here we are, all originated in the Big Bang but like a short lived vacuum fluctuation the net energy of the universe is zero it just so happens the universe is infinitely extended
 
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Johno please? said:
Please tell me you're joking right?

Do you know how long life and organisms have been around? I'd reccomend reading "The Greatest Show On Earth" Its tough going at times but helps with putting the timeline in perspective.

"wHy cAnT wE sEe mOnKeYs eVoLvE iN tO hUmAnS"
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The irony of a creationist saying 'if we can't see it, it doesn't exist'.
 
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