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Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July
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Labour were never going to win this election, they were starting from too far behind in the polls, fighting a snap election they weren't ready for and confronted by a deeply poisonous media trying to smear Corbyn at every opportunity.
To have pulled things back from where they were to this result is a victory of sorts. Provided the party now unites behind Corbyn and keeps pushing hard against austerity and inequality, the momentum is very much with Labour for the next election, which I suspect will come much sooner than 5 years time.
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Just saw some of the DUP policies, put together those two parties hate pretty much every single group in society.
I don't think the Tories can even continue with austerity now, if they have any sense and if they want to get anything through Parliament. They're gonna have to relent in order to steal some kind of march on Labour. The people have spoken and they want something else.
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I'm not sure about the mandate bit. Is the number of MPs the mandate. May got 42.4% which is pretty close to as high as any Government has achieved in the last 40 years. What has occurred is a consolidated of the opposition rather than an diminution of the Conservative support. In fact they increased their vote share by 5.5% in any other election that would be a resounding success. But Corbyn's achievement is the greater bringing together a large body of left leaning support and consolidating the support of other liberal/socialist parties under Labour.
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if that is the case, then Tories need to start by getting rid of May as she is the biggest liability they have. Then they need to get a moderate leader in, so that discounts the usual suspects taht are waiting in the wings as they are all rabid leave the EU at all costs type. Then they need to change their policies to more centre / left leaning which would completely alienate their entire core support.
May is running damage control which is why is going to cling to power with that unholy alliance with the DUP because she knows if they go to the polls again this year the Tories are finished.
they have to trash everything and basically plagiarize a lot of what Labour were going to do if they even want to hope of capturing any youngling support.
This has got the potential to be the death of the Conservative Party. In 10 years' time, when nobody's prepared to admit voting for Brexit, and everyone's looking for someone else to blame, the Conservatives are going to struggle to look anything other than sole orchestrators of the cluster*** it's shaping out to be.
Yes, a magnificent effort to finish with their third worst result in the last thirty years.
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Farage can smell this corpse and he will be back. UKIP with some reprogramming could become very mainstream if the Tories screw this up.
So ... A new Conservative leader by Christmas and an election in the New Year?
Maybe sooner?!
I doubt the next manifesto will target the older generations next time. I think May has thought she was going to walk it with the approval ratings so high after BREXIT and tried to push a few too many things in the manifesto that people wouldn't like - Who's next for leader?
Maybe sooner?!
I doubt the next manifesto will target the older generations next time. I think May has thought she was going to walk it with the approval ratings so high after BREXIT and tried to push a few too many things in the manifesto that people wouldn't like - Who's next for leader?
Not sure on that - tuition fees swung a lot of younger voters - most expressed more interest in a centrist government and said they felt alienated by both the Tory and Labour party but also didn't believe in Tim Farron - many felt he wasn't strong enough as a leader.
Yep, they're definitely going to have to ditch the idea of running a surplus, that has to go out the window. They actually need to go for broke and do something like throw £50, £75bn at a national house building project. They HAVE to double down on some kind of populist project if they have any hope of stemming the Labour tide.
No, it won't, what will happen is another round of labour getting into power with a younger moderate leader, they will be centre ground for as long as the extreme left allow it, then they will start turning the screws like they did with Blair.
Then they will cast into the wilderness again and the cycle will continue.
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she only really pushed one thing that people didn't like and it killed her by alienating her biggest support group. She has to perform a series of flip flops now to appeal to the youth and they will smell that a mile off. Corbyn pretty much stuck to his guns all the way through where as May is going to have to sell her soul on her conservative principles just to win another election. That's called selling out and people in this country don't like it.
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The younglings would be those most greatly affected by a Corbyn government. Terrible campaign by May, Cameron's picture of Corbyn as a madman terrorist lover who hates money would have worked wonders this election. Corbyn was supposed to be the end of Labour lol.
I wouldn't put much value in anything the DUP say. They don't even believe in dinosaurs.
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