Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[Ayahuasca]

I think it just highlighted how imature the oldies were by constantly trying to interupt him..

It's about time the youth had a voice...

And they have .

Owen Jones is definitely not the voice the young need, the only thing youthful about him is his looks.

 

[Secret_Window]

It is both open to interpretation and negotiation with the EU... however it is constrained by the pledge to limit integration ergo you can't have single market access. You can try to retain as much as possible given that constraint but that depends on how much the EU is willing to allow and what they'd want in return.

Exactly, so it isn't clear to us then, which was my whole point. He has been vague for a reason, because he doesn't know what he will get, or how it will allow him to control immigration. I think we can both agree on this.

 

[chroniclard]

Coalition of chaos, especially for NI and the loss of Westminster neutrality. Really is a shameless fudge of a coalition.

https://storify.com/koritsimou/powersharing-and-the-loss-of-neutrality

 

[easyrider]

Pure genius at 59 seconds

 

[dowie]

Exactly, so it isn't clear to us then, which was my whole point. He has been vague for a reason, because he doesn't know what he will get, or how it will allow him to control immigration. I think we can both agree on this.

That wasn't in dispute, what is clear, is the point I made form the start: that neither Labour or the Tories are going for full single market access, both parties have stated they will control immigration.

 

[dalehitchy1]

Exactly, so it isn't clear to us then, which was my whole point. He has been vague for a reason, because he doesn't know what he will get, or how it will allow him to control immigration. I think we can both agree on this.

Your making it sound as if mays stance was clear when it was anything but. Can you give me a detailed list of what she was after.. and how if she was going to replace any of those EU institutions we use with our own... Example the European medical research institution.

Labour maybe was not crystal clear but to imply that the tories were any clearer is stretching it.

 

[Caracus2k]

The Tories only option is to threaten Northern Ireland?

PFFT OK W/E.

there only chance on the election results to have a majority is with the dup yes.... What's so hard to understand......
its simple arithmetic when you know that the lib Dems wouldn't enter into another coalition amd the Tories couldn't work with the SNP

you might note that the Tories haven't actually formally entered into a coalition with he dup (unless I have missed something haven't been reading the news today)

personally I find the harping on now about the dup with there 10 mp's working with the Tories hundreds of MP's... the n trying to seek some equivalence to having a terrorist sympathising prime minster quite bizzare!

 

[Secret_Window]

Your making it sound as if mays stance was clear when it was anything but. Can you give me a detailed list of what she was after and how if she was going to replace any of those EU institutions we use with our own... Example the European medical research institution.

I was going by the tone she already set by saying no deal was better than a bad deal, which is different from what Corbyn was saying or perhaps, should I rather say, implying...

 

[RDM]

In ordinary times I'd agree with you, however if they don't delay the BREXIT negotiations then she might be around for longer to make some headway with them first.

I personally think she will go during the summer recess, announce it just as parliament breaks up, stay on as PM until a new leader is chosen over the summer. The real problem is who replaces her.

Boris is too loose cannon, Davis is dull, Gove is toxic and Rudd has too slim a majority.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Brilliant...

 

[dowie]

I personally think she will go during the summer recess, announce it just as parliament breaks up, stay on as PM until a new leader is chosen over the summer. The real problem is who replaces her.

Boris is too loose cannon, Davis is dull, Gove is toxic and Rudd has too slim a majority.

None of those are particularly promising for them, Gove is a complete gimp and has had an even more negative image ever since stabbing Boris in the back, Rudd is weak, Boris won't be able to shake off his clown persona any time soon... Davis could be seen as a competent leader and would likely do well in any TV debates etc.. however on Brexit he's a strong eurosceptic and that is a massive gamble - him vs Corbyn could even more easily be portrayed as Hard Brexit vs Soft Brexit with more of the country favouring Corbyn on that particular issue.

 

[b0redj0rd]

I personally think she will go during the summer recess, announce it just as parliament breaks up, stay on as PM until a new leader is chosen over the summer. The real problem is who replaces her.

Boris is too loose cannon, Davis is dull, Gove is toxic and Rudd has too slim a majority.

There's talk of her appointing a deputy PM, with David Davis in the front running for that position. Would that mean he'd default to be PM when she steps down/is pushed?

e2a - I'd say Davis could make a decent candidate for PM. He has come across as calm and knowledgeable in the TV appearances and interviews I've seen with him in.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Owen Jones being a complete **** on BBC news right now, he is embarrassing.

I thought he was really good.

 

[SlugForAButt]

I expect that having turned out en-masse this time and still lost the youth vote will revert to hiding under the covers and leaving it to somebody else again. Millennials can't be seen to be anything but winners.

+1

 

[dowie]

Brilliant...

that is quite a funny rant, not too far from the truth tbh...

 

[Lartyconshayo]

Here we go:

Theresa May looks set to launch wide-ranging internet regulation and plans to fundamentally change how technology works despite not having won a majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...downing-street-speech-manifesto-a7783186.html

 

[Rroff]

Brilliant...

Wow that is basically my rant (not that I'd ever vote conservative mind).

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I'm 35 and have voted Lib Dems in at least the last two elections. I switched to Labour.

I'm 39 and voted Labour for the first time.

I think Tefal is mistaken in assuming people stop voting Labour as they "grow up". It's that kind of thinking that led the Tories to screw up their campaign.

 

[dowie]

Here we go:

Theresa May looks set to launch wide-ranging internet regulation and plans to fundamentally change how technology works despite not having won a majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...downing-street-speech-manifesto-a7783186.html

hmm, wonder if it fails to get votes in the commons... bit ballsy of her to attempt this nonsense given her weak position, perhaps if this fails then she'll resign

 

[Deleted member 66701]

that is quite a funny rant, not too far from the truth tbh...

I love the way that he argues that's it's bad for Corbyn to lie and then goes on to argue May should have lied more.

Tory in double standard shocker. It's like them saying Labour are fiscally irresponsible when the truth is that the Tories borrow more, pay back less and increase debt more than Labour.