Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[Silly Goose On The Loose]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ter-theresa-may-hung-parliament-a7782581.html

Astonishing how close we were to having Jeremy Corbyn as PM.

 

[RoboCod]

You surely must know the mistake May made and result of this election?

She thought she was going to get a landslide victory, she didn't and now she's lost power and is in bed with creationist homophobes

I agree, she's a bloody appalling leader as is Corbyn. It has been a sorry state of affairs that the general public have been left squabbling over these useless pair. The sooner they both hop it the better. Despite all his wild promises, it's clear the majority don't want a far left socialist in charge and TM just isn't strong at all. It's a mess and I think the majority of people actually despair at the current state.

 

[Vern1961]

If the election was run today, would Corbyn win based on that poll?

With hindsight and based on TM's behaviours since Friday morning, I would switch to Labour in a heartbeat. The biggest problem post this election and indeed the Brexit disposal, is that it seems to be politics of the absolute. Not everyone who voted for Brexit wanted the hard option with WTO and the (alleged) £££billions leaving fee. We just wanted the extremes reigning in a bit, Cameron to do a better job of negotiating the deal. Of the 52% "leave" vote I suspect more than 50% felt that way. And so it is with this election. Voted conservative (with a small c) because some of what Labour were peddling was (and still is to some extent) unpalatable, to those who are financially comfortable (not necessarily rich or well off) and who felt uncomfortable with their more extreme social policies. Again, of those who voted Tory, I suspect 50% did so because they wanted a sensible middle path, certainly not TM running off to hold hands with the DUPs and acting more and more like Emperor Cartagia from Babylon 5 every hour that passes.

 

[rare]

I'm glad Osbourne is calling out his own party. I have respect for people who call out faults even though they are alligned to them.

That's why I have respect for corbyn. He called out Blair on the war.... Because it was the right thing to do.

It's just the manner in which he has done it. The smug grin. It's all very well to criticise of course, I just think his mannerisms about it say a lot about him.

 

[deuse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ter-theresa-may-hung-parliament-a7782581.html

Astonishing how close we were to having Jeremy Corbyn as PM.

I'm glad he will never be in charge.

 

[Dolph]

Being a student myself and therefore being a "yoof", let me offer some insight.

Tuition fees of course had something to do with it but I don't think it's bribing. It's more the youth in this country thinking that having debt at such a young age is unfair and so Corbyn saying the richest should pay for it, i.e. tackling their perceived injustice, that gave them hope for an alternative. What did the Tories offer? More of the same, tax-cuts for the rich, etc. (that was the perception).

He really gets students and social media. I have tonnes of photos from people on Facebook at his rallies, being offered hope not fear, happiness, etc. What did the Tories offer? Nothing.

Please don't get me wrong, I get it, I really do. I do remember being a student, I was one of the last year before tuition fees came in, and I remember the outrage then. I actually finished paying my student loan this year. The current solution, although a higher nominal value, is much better than the fees structure that came in during 1998, in terms of payback rules for the loans and the impact it has on graduate finances.

The problem is I don't think the level of participation seen currently can be maintained without fees. It certainly can't be maintained by forcing a tiny proportion of the country to pay for it. It would require a broad based tax rise, which wasn't what was being proposed, and the rest of the public would have to agree. It would almost certainly result in a reduction of available subjects, because some have very little practical value, and would fail in the court of public opinion.

The Tories offered the youth vote nothing, I would agree. To be fair, they offered pretty much nothing to anyone in terms of a giveaway. As I said, the conservative campaign was terrible, and Labour's was not. It might not have been realistic, but it was politically very good.

 

[Vonhelmet]

I agree, she's a bloody appalling leader as is Corbyn. It has been a sorry state of affairs that the general public have been left squabbling over these useless pair. The sooner they both hop it the better. Despite all his wild promises, it's clear the majority don't want a far left socialist in charge and TM just isn't strong at all. It's a mess and I think the majority of people actually despair at the current state.

Corbyn is hardly far left. The majority of politicians are centre right, but we've ended up with this stupid polarised two party system so it suits everyone to use dramatic labels to argue their case. We'd be a whole lot better off if 2/3 of the Tory party and 2/3 of the Labour Party found their common ground and formed a proper centrist liberal party.

 

[Jono8]

Absolutely no loyalty to his party at all. I don't understand it, especially when you consider the socialist policies of the current Labour manifesto are pretty much the direct opposite of his own views. I've got no respect for him at all.

Be interesting to see what happens but I think Labour have some nerve suggesting they now have a mandate. No you don't, you are 56 seats behind the conservatives! He claims they want to try and form a minority government, but even with the SNP and LD they still don't have a majority.

If you read this -

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...orne-says-theresa-may-is-a-dead-woman-walking

He is against the direction the Tory party is heading under May. Cameron's leadership was more 'liberal' and brought the party more in to the centre.

Under May they are just going full Tory.

 

[Stretch]

McDonnell has said today that Labour would take the UK out of the single market. If the Tories backtrack on Brexit, Labour will have played a very clever game.

That's a serious miscalculation imo.

 

[Dolph]

Absolutely no loyalty to his party at all. I don't understand it, especially when you consider the socialist policies of the current Labour manifesto are pretty much the direct opposite of his own views. I've got no respect for him at all.

Be interesting to see what happens but I think Labour have some nerve suggesting they now have a mandate. No you don't, you are 56 seats behind the conservatives! He claims they want to try and form a minority government, but even with the SNP and LD they still don't have a majority.

Osborne and may never saw eye to eye, Osborne is from the socially liberal centre of the party, whereas may is more socially authoritarian. Osborne held her back at the home office by blocking funding for some of her crazier ideas, and in return she sacked him the moment she became prime minister.

Given that Osborne was one of the key figures in the 2015 campaign, as well as a staunch remained, I think he has a right to point out that his party is moving in the wrong direction.

 

[B&W]

With hindsight and based on TM's behaviours since Friday morning, I would switch to Labour in a heartbeat. The biggest problem post this election and indeed the Brexit disposal, is that it seems to be politics of the absolute. Not everyone who voted for Brexit wanted the hard option with WTO and the (alleged) £££billions leaving fee. We just wanted the extremes reigning in a bit, Cameron to do a better job of negotiating the deal. Of the 52% "leave" vote I suspect more than 50% felt that way. And so it is with this election. Voted conservative (with a small c) because some of what Labour were peddling was (and still is to some extent) unpalatable, to those who are financially comfortable (not necessarily rich or well off) and who felt uncomfortable with their more extreme social policies. Again, of those who voted Tory, I suspect 50% did so because they wanted a sensible middle path, certainly not TM running off to hold hands with the DUPs and acting more and more like Emperor Cartagia from Babylon 5 every hour that passes.

Lol we need Gkar.

 

[Jono8]

Given that Osborne was one of the key figures in the 2015 campaign, as well as a staunch remained, I think he has a right to point out that his party is moving in the wrong direction.

Exactly. Cameron's conservatives were far more palatable and sensible than the party May is moulding.

 

[mid_gen]

Tories are going to figure out sooner or later that dismissing anything to their left as a socialist fantasy doesn't wash with the electorate.

The fact I'm sitting here in a country that pretty accurately reflects their socialist manifesto and yet still manages a healthy surplus, while post-Thatcher Britain limps along towards Brexit is all the evidence you need.

 

[Tunney]

If anyone wants to understand why the young voted for Corbyn, go pick up a copy of this week's Kerrang! magazine. I'm not joking. There's a big interview with Corbyn and it's good insight into why he's popular with younger voters.

And, no, tuition fees wasn't the single major factor.

 

[Stretch]

Osborne and may never saw eye to eye, Osborne is from the socially liberal centre of the party, whereas may is more socially authoritarian. Osborne held her back at the home office by blocking funding for some of her crazier ideas, and in return she sacked him the moment she became prime minister.

Given that Osborne was one of the key figures in the 2015 campaign, as well as a staunch remained, I think he has a right to point out that his party is moving in the wrong direction.

Agreed.

 

[chroniclard]

I dont see corbyn as particularly left. I could have got behind Dave and a more centist conservative party. May was/is an awful leader and has been a car crash since she took over.

 

[Dolph]

Tories are going to figure out sooner or later that dismissing anything to their left as a socialist fantasy doesn't wash with the electorate.

The fact I'm sitting here in a country that pretty accurately reflects their socialist manifesto and yet still manages a healthy surplus, while post-Thatcher Britain limps along towards Brexit is all the evidence you need.

The difference is how you tax. If you want a high tax high spending society, it means high taxes for you, not just high taxes for other people. In the UK, our politics often revolves around competing as to who to tax and who to spend it on, with labour saying tax the rich and spend on others (not the poor this time, they kept most of the benefit cuts, most of the spending changes targeting students and public sector workers), and the Tories saying spend less and tax less (which gets turned into tax cuts for the rich, despite the reality that Cameron and Osborne shifted the burden onto the rich more successfully than any government before them by actually understanding how they think and respond).

Continental politics is slightly different in places like Germany, tax is pushed as something that applies to all, and if you want more, everyone has to chip in.

As someone who favours a universal income offset by tax, I would love a more continental politics, but it's not the reality of politics in the UK.

 

[b0redj0rd]

Does that article actually have any sources?

There are 3 different sources in the article. Click the links ...

 

[dalehitchy1]

Just wanted to add another alternative pov to people complaining about the young.

You say they don't get politics... That their votes were bought and that they have no experience in life so that's why they voted labour.

Well votes have been bought to the elderly for years. That's why they have triple lock pensions. And then you get the elderly voters that don't get the internet so their only news source is the sun daily mail and sky news. They also don't get the internet so happy for it to be regulated when they have no understanding of how the internet works.

So stop blaming the young.... The elderly dont understand modern politics either.

 

[chief barker]

The elderly dont understand modern politics either.

So you admit that the young don't understand politics too?