Has there been a similar stat published as to how many votes the Tories were away from retaining or extending a majority just out of interest?
I have a feeling it may be even less than 3000.
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I have a feeling it may be even less than 3000.
Soldato
I don't see the benefits of a soft brexit. Is it not the worst of both worlds? We pay to be part of the single market, and we have FOM and all of the red tape that is associated with being a part of the customs union still. Weren't the only downsides?
The only difference between soft brexit and remain is that we no longer have a seat at the EU table, no? We might pay a tiny bit less, but surely the saving isn't worth the loss of influence?
I was a remain voter, but now brexit is happening, then IMO it needs to be hard. Rip the plaster off, no halfway house will do.
The only difference between soft brexit and remain is that we no longer have a seat at the EU table, no? We might pay a tiny bit less, but surely the saving isn't worth the loss of influence?
I was a remain voter, but now brexit is happening, then IMO it needs to be hard. Rip the plaster off, no halfway house will do.
Soldato
Exactly - may as well press the undo button and just stay as we are, saving all the bother and expense.
No, the harder the brexit the worst it is, it doesn't suddenly get better, the ideal would be to stay, Soft brexit would stop the economy imploding but is worse than staying a full member, hard brexit is economic suicide, its very much no deal is many times worse than bad deal.
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Do we actually have a government at the moment?
Theresa May's seemingly acting like nothing happened and Corbyn's acting like he's days away from being PM.
Theresa May's seemingly acting like nothing happened and Corbyn's acting like he's days away from being PM.
Interesting opinion from 2015.
It's probably safe to say we will be negotiating a range of requirements and Responsibility's whoever represents us.
well not days away, he's basically saying hes going to win the GE when its called. Which the current polls agree with him, Tories have taken a hammering, again due to palpatine May. The longer tory allow May to continue the more I expect them to get hammered. ATM if they saw sense they could easily turn it around and win a majority at a GE, but they are just in denial.
and well we have a government, just not one which can really do anything without cross party agreements.
Soldato
Surely that's not confirmed until next Monday?
What happens if it all goes **** up at the Queen's speech?
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Yes, but except in very rare circumstances, it would be unusual for under 16's to have the ability to earn enough to pay tax on earnings.
has a government ever failed a queens speech? its a formality no one else can numerically challenge them and if they are willing to go as a minority then that's that.
last happened in the 70s and lasted a couple of months before dying.
Rarely been a reason to test what happens if it "fails" mind.
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Too much softy brexit talk in here. Thought we had a thread for brexit discussions?
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He didn't even win the popular vote, is what you are saying? His seat return is in line with Gordon Brown and that is despite some other parties helping Labour out by not running in some seats and tactical voting being pushed as a method for keeping the Tories (who ran the worst campaign in living memory) out. This is a defeat for Labour, their third one in a general election. Corbyn just isn't going to appeal to the voters he needs to win a general election.
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No, but there have been plenty of instances where the proposer has had to accept amendments by rebels and the opposition to get it through.
It could be very humiliating for May (she's prob used to it now though).
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Oh look polls showing Labour 6 Point up over the tories. Of course the tories never benefited from the the UKIP vote when UKIP MPs stood down to support tory candidates. Corbyn for PM.
It's weird to me. Labour supporters acting like they've won the World Cup - Gordon Brown levels of support, vs the weakest manifesto the Conservatives have launched in decades with the most unappealing leader in recent times. It could be argued they missed an open goal by not gaining a majority - either way you can be sure the next leader and manifesto from the Cons will appeal to more people.
Either way, GE likely within 2 years so I guess we will find out soon enough.
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Well, yes, but that's not what you said. The ability to pay tax is based on having income, not on age. It would be more accurate to just refer to people being old enough to work for a living.
Anyway, this is academic as I agree with your overall point - voting age should be 16.
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150,000 extra Labour members since GE
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/more-than-150000-people-have-joined-labour-since-the-election-6700935/
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/more-than-150000-people-have-joined-labour-since-the-election-6700935/
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Corbyn pulled in 4 million more voters over Brown, so a little better ehh.
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