Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%
  • Total voters
    1,097
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Combat squirrel said:
As ever from the 'other side' - words, that mean totally nothing, at all.

How about discussing plans to solve this countries problems, rather than throwing money at rich people, and taking it away from poor people.

Taxing richer people is obvious - calling people marxist saying that, is, the definition of pointless racket.

Meh who cares, tax the billionares already !!!!!!!! Bring up living standards for all humans!!

Not a difficult concept ! lol
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Christ how boring, are we to trend the same ground as the last 3 general elections? If you over tax people they tend to do something about it, if they're rich then they tend to move money out of the country. Who's left to tax after that? The rest of us. It doesn't work and we proved it doesn't as recently as the last Labour government. Why is it that Labour supporters never seem to learn from their mistakes?

Gigabit said:
When did Gordon Brown try Corbyn's policies?
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You mean when he threw money at everything and bankrupt the country?
 
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robgmun said:
Christ how boring, are we to trend the same ground as the last 3 general elections? If you over tax people they tend to do something about it, if they're rich then they tend to move money out of the country. Who's left to tax after that? The rest of us. It doesn't work and we proved it doesn't as recently as the last Labour government. Why is it that Labour supporters never seem to learn from their mistakes?
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Ugggh that completely bizarre pointless argument again.

The UK taxes the rich at a very low rate, increasing it to 26% is still a lot cheaper than most developed western countries..........they won't run off to Poland etc

Yeah boring - facts please, there is far to much money to earn here and pay tax than run off and not earn it.

ALSO - May looking to push through extreme internet regulation while everyone distracted:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ivists-open-a7787661.html?cmpid=facebook-post
 
robgmun said:
You mean when he threw money at everything and bankrupt the country?
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I remember him bailing out the banks, something the Tories would have done also.

He spent a bit too much money when we were in a surplus but then again the Tories would have spent the same as they matched their spending plans.

Ideologically, I'm a Tory but in their current state the Tories aren't doing anything. Besides, it looks like they're set to scrap austerity anyway.
 
robgmun said:
Christ how boring, are we to trend the same ground as the last 3 general elections? If you over tax people they tend to do something about it, if they're rich then they tend to move money out of the country. Who's left to tax after that? The rest of us. It doesn't work and we proved it doesn't as recently as the last Labour government. Why is it that Labour supporters never seem to learn from their mistakes?
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Same old, same old from the left.....without any considerations as to how it effects the wider economy, they just want to take money from the rich (which ends up actually just being taken from the middle class) and giving it to the poor...as that's "fair" in their eyes.

There are issues that this country needs to solve...the NHS...Police etc.....but taxing the rich to achieve this and giving free degrees to everyone isnt the answer.
 
Gigabit said:
When did Gordon Brown try Corbyn's policies?
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Did labour have any kind of plan back then? I can't remember.

With Corbyn as leader his current manifesto is costed. Whilst some may argue that a lot of their costings are questionable and may fall short....What's stopping Corbyn / Labour from carrying on with their policies albeit scaled back a little if they fall short?
 
Rilot said:
I don't think he was referring to Brown's government. I think he was talking about Wilson and Callaghan's governments in the 70s.
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Which was a whole different ball game. Industry becoming uncompetitive due to not investing in modern technology. Inflation etc, etc. Does not transfer to todays situation.
 
Gigabit said:
I'm curious, when does austerity end?
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it doesn't. you will just be lead to think it has, but the cuts will still be there in a place that's not as in your face untill the day something happens and the people collectively go WTF, how did this get to this sorry state and then Maybots dirty lies will come to full fruition.
 
dalehitchy1 said:
Did labour have any kind of plan back then? I can't remember.

With Corbyn as leader his current manifesto is costed. Whilst some may argue that a lot of their costings are questionable and may fall short....What's stopping Corbyn / Labour from carrying on with their policies albeit scaled back a little if they fall short?
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But they arent costed.....they assume a figure based on the target group not making any changes to their behavior....its been shown time and time gain, that raising tax rates, while initially bringing in more revenue, slowly will return to around the same level before the tax hike.

If companies are hit with increased tax rates....do you think they wont adapt? layoffs (the worst paid employees)...increased prices of their products?

Individuals that earn over 80K (the ones that receive 20% of the total UK income, but pay 40% of the total tax revenue), will also adapt, paying more into their pension pots for example, for more tax relief.

Everyone just ends up with less and still in the same position.
 
mmj_uk said:
Why the assumption that we'll be better off economically within the EU? it might be a safe assumption to make in the short term due to the upheavel of leaving but long term you're only guessing.
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Everything is "only guessing" to an extent. But some guesses are supported by argument. The guess that we'd be better off within the EU is because large alliances have more bargaining power on the world stage than a small nation on its own with very little manufacturing base and sky-high living costs.

mmj_uk said:
If you look beyond the major EU economies that flourished prior to joining the EU the rest of the members are mainly reliant on handouts. If the EU are so good at managing economies then why haven't they helped Greece/Spain etc?
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The EU has handed over €38bn to help keep Greece solvent and if you include total loans, it's over €300bn. Do you think that would have been given Greece if it weren't a member of the EU? It would have been left to drown and sell off every asset it has to China.
 
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