Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[stewski]

Social class and employment status were much less a factor in this election than the past, with age being much more important

Based on this Poll?

 

[dowie]

There's still none EU immigration to control.

that has nothing to do with Brexit - we can already control non-EU immigration

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I think this thread has run its course and mods should nuke it (from orbit of course). It's basically just Scorza, n11ck and their fanbois trolling to elicit a response.

These dudes have read one too many toxic right wing blogs.

They just hate everything.

What point are you making? That people are self-interested? Pensioners support the party that introduced the triple-lock pension and were in an uproar about the suggestion that the winter fuel allowance might become means tested.

Yeah god forbid fuel allowance becomes means tested like everything else.

 

[Amp34]

No one has said that they are all unemployed just that labour voters tend to be in situations where they need a lot of state help according to that table.

Less so in this election than in past ones. Scroll to the bottom of the link and look at the social class response.

Yes, those more affluent are more likely to vote conservative, and those less affluent labour, but the biggest variation by and large is age and whether you're retired. Whether your working or not (and not retired) is a much lesser factor.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Less so in this election than in past ones. Scroll to the bottom of the link and look at the social class response.

Yes, those more affluent are more likely to vote conservative, and those less affluent labour, but the biggest variation by and large is age and whether you're retired. Whether your working or not (and not retired) is a much lesser factor.

I mean it's not surprising to me, students vote for the future so will vote for a party they think have the peoples best interests at heart.

What point are you making? That people are self-interested? Pensioners support the party that introduced the triple-lock pension and were in an uproar about the suggestion that the winter fuel allowance might become means tested.

Unemployment is at like what 5%? hardly anything major in terms of votes either.... but of course he'll touch himself over anything he can say to himself "look all Labour voters want is freebies!1!" yeah half of working people voted Labour too...sorry to rain on your parade.

 

[Amp34]

Based on this Poll?

Yes. See the link.

Edit:

As noted at the start of the campaign, the class divide in British politics seems to have closed and it is no longer a very good indicator of voting intention. Despite dramatic voter movements towards Labour over the past few weeks this theme has held reasonably consistent: Labour is now 4% behind amongst ABC1 voters and 2% behind amongst C2DE voters.

The picture is a bit more mixed if we split this out further, with Labour doing best amongst DE voters (semi-skilled and unskilled manual occupations, unemployed people and those in the lowest grade occupations) and the Tories doing best amongst C2 voters (skilled manual occupations).

You'll have to go to the link to see the chart.

 

[Irish_Tom]

that has nothing to do with Brexit - we can already control non-EU immigration

True, although non-EU immigration is still over 100,000, so in order to meet the Tory's '10s of thousands' target they're going to have to get much stricter, even if they shut down EU immigration completely (which obviously isn't going to happen).

 

[SlugForAButt]

Tory mentality there - thinking they are better than everyone else - and they don't care about people.

Yeah, bloody Tories thinking they're better than normal folks. You'd never find good old Labour MPs sinking so low eh?
I'm sorry Combat_squirrel but you do post some one eyed, sanctimonious rubbish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...andidate-apologises-wife-daughter-describing/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-calling-voter-horrible-racist-a7038036.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ele...don-Brown-calls-campaigner-bigoted-woman.html

 

[cheesyboy]

Glad to see Farron go. Usually consider myself a LD voter, but having a committed Christian topping the party, coupled with Corbyn's Labour being quite up my street, meant I switched red.

I think you can be an MP if you're strongly religious, but I'm not sure you can lead a truly liberal party.

 

[stewski]

Yes. See the link.

Edit:



You'll have to go to the link to see the chart.

I went back and found the link and pdf, I coudnt find anything on methodology beyond its a big survey and/or confidence interval's etc.

I'd love to believe people with higher educational levels are more Labour than low (it would explain the household budget idiocy of Austerity) but I need a bit more to go on...

 

[n111ck]

I mean it's not surprising to me, students vote for the future so will vote for a party they think have the peoples best interests at heart.



Unemployment is at like what 5%? hardly anything major in terms of votes either.... but of course he'll touch himself over anything he can say to himself "look all Labour voters want is freebies!1!" yeah half of working people voted Labour too...sorry to rain on your parade.

Students voted labour for free tuition fees.

Half of all working people did not vote labour according to that table.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Students voted labour for free tuition fees.

Half of all working people did not vote labour according to that table.

I think it's really disingenuous to assume that the single issue all students voted on was free tuition.

 

[n111ck]

I think it's really disingenuous to assume that the single issue all students voted on was free tuition.

You wouldn't vote labour for £30k?

 

[Irish_Tom]

You wouldn't vote Labour for £30k?

I would consider the manifesto as a whole and compare it to the manifestos of the other parties before making a decision, as well as listen to what local candidates are saying about issues relating to my constituency.

I'm not saying that scrapping tuition fees wasn't a factor in some students decision but equally you can't say that it was the ONLY reason ALL students voted Labour, which is what you were implying.

In fact, there was a debate on the radio at the weekend (R4 or 5 Live, I forget which) with a panel of students of different political persuasions. All of them agreed that discussions around campus were more about bigger issues such as welfare, the NHS, social care, austerity etc. rather than "Let's vote Labour so we don't have to pay tuition fees."

 

[Nitefly]

No - those that work have a small difference between labour / Tory - those that don't work are heavily skewed towards labour.

Presumably the labour ones that work are on very low incomes as they feel they need a lots of state help - whereas the Tory ones are probably more affluent.

This is absolutely ridiculous - you must be trolling

 

[n111ck]

This is absolutely ridiculous - you must be trolling

The first sentence is a fact based on the table.

The second sentence is a reasonable assumption due to the skew in the number towards non working people voting labour and therefore likely to be attracted by more state help as would lower paid.

Which part don't you understand?

 

[n111ck]

I would consider the manifesto as a whole and compare it to the manifestos of the other parties before making a decision, as well as listen to what local candidates are saying about issues relating to my constituency.

I'm not saying that scrapping tuition fees wasn't a factor in some students decision but equally you can't say that it was the ONLY reason ALL students voted Labour, which is what you were implying.

In fact, there was a debate on the radio at the weekend (R4 or 5 Live, I forget which) with a panel of students of different political persuasions. All of them agreed that discussions around campus were more about bigger issues such as welfare, the NHS, social care, austerity etc. rather than "Let's vote Labour so we don't have to pay tuition fees."

Maybe they were embarrassed by the money grabbing - who knows! But knocking back £30k.... really?

 

[Irish_Tom]

The first sentence is a fact based on the table.

The second sentence is a reasonable assumption due to the skew in the number towards non working people voting labour and therefore likely to be attracted by more state help.

Which part don't you understand?

Probably the assumption that just because you're in work and on a decent wage, you couldn't possibly vote Labour.

 

[n111ck]

Probably the assumption that just because you're in work and on a decent wage, you couldn't possibly vote Labour.

That's not what I said just that less affluent people would be more attracted to all the benefits offered.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Maybe they were embarrassed by the money grabbing - who knows! But knocking back £30k.... really?

If there was a 'kill all kittens and puppies but scrap tuition fees' party I doubt they'd get many votes.

Slightly fatous but it illustrates the point that people will vote on more than a single issue.

I would suggest that the student vote would still have been strong even if tuition fees hadn't been in the Labour manifesto.

That's not what I said just that less affluent people would be more attracted to all the benefits offered.

I don't want to start arguing semantics but the post that Nitefly quoted clearly stated that you presumed employed Labour voters must be on 'very low incomes' and affluent employed voters voted Conservative.

I'd like to see more detailed demographic profiling because I think you might be surprised by the number of affluent Labour voters.