Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%
  • Total voters
    1,097
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Irish_Tom said:
If there was a 'kill all kittens and puppies but scrap tuition fees' party I doubt they'd get many votes.

Slightly fatous but it illustrates the point that people will vote on more than a single issue.

I would suggest that the student vote would still have been strong even if tuition fees hadn't been in the Labour manifesto.
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I would suggest that £30k has more to do with it - we'll find out in 5 years.
 
n111ck said:
That's not what I said just that less affluent people would be more attracted to all the benefits offered.
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This is a gross over simplification. Lots of less affluent people seem to have voted Conservative, perhaps motivated by preserving a hard Brexit.

Lots of useful information and statistics here:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/

The strongest factors in the election seem to have been age and education level, plus Brexit, rather than socio-economic / class factors. The tipping point seems to be age 50 and a 'medium' level of education (better than GCSE, less then degree).
 
N111ck are you trolling for a reaction because you are being incredibly condescending to students on here... Acting as if they are incapable of voting based on more than one policy.

It's ironic that UKIP... A party of one policy.... Gained traction with the elder group last election.

Students are more clever than you think and all the ones I know voted based on social issues such as the NHS, housing and opposing a nasty toxicness that UKIP and the Tories have brought in. Tuition seemed further down the list to them
 
Greebo said:
Far off retirement age? It's only half way through working life for most people. Yes the rich perhaps. Which matches the stat that 53% of all Tory voters own their own home with no mortgage.
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Or public servants perhaps such as "our hardworking" nurses who can retire on full generous pensions at 55?
 
n111ck said:
The first sentence is a fact based on the table.

The second sentence is a reasonable assumption due to the skew in the number towards non working people voting labour and therefore likely to be attracted by more state help as would lower paid.

Which part don't you understand?
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It's not just that it's disengenuous to suggest that people of voting on tuitions fees alone, but your response to the previous post. You said:

"LOLWUT?

If you are a student, not working, unemployed or other you are more likely to vote Labour - hardly surprising- gimmebenefits"

It was then pointed out to you that more people voted for labour than conservatives in ALL categories except retirees.

So, drawing back to the post I quoted, which I will do again here...

n111ck said:
No - those that work have a small difference between labour / Tory - those that don't work are heavily skewed towards labour.

Presumably the labour ones that work are on very low incomes as they feel they need a lots of state help - whereas the Tory ones are probably more affluent.
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Your first paragraph misses (or should I say 'dodges') the point. It is only retirees that were more likely to vote for conservatives that labour - that is the point that is being made. You can't just shrug that off. Also, for those working full time (but excluding those voting for anything other than the 2 major parties), the split of conservative votes to labour votes is 46.4% to 53.6%. Or for every 100 conservative votes there were 115.4 labour votes. If you think that's a small difference then I certainly hope you also think the brexit referendum was a VERY close call...

As for the second paragraph, people vote for a plethora of reasons. I know many wealthy people that voted for labour despite the fact it would be for their financial detriment.
 
Nitefly said:
As for the second paragraph, people vote for a plethora of reasons. I know many wealthy people that voted for labour despite the fact it would be for their financial detriment.
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Of course

http://www.whatispolitics.co.uk/features/22-famous-labour-party-supporters/

JK Rowling donated £1 million to the party in 2008. The author, who was a penniless single parent before finding fame and fortune with her Harry Potter novels, has been highly critical of the Conservative Party’s approach to benefits. “I find the language of ‘skivers versus strivers’ particularly offensive when it comes to single parents, who are already working around the clock to care for their children,” she wrote in 2013.

There really is some guff posted by people in this thread....And dare I say mostly from tories :p
 
easyrider said:
There really is some guff posted by people in this thread....And dare I say mostly from tories :p
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Nitefly said:
It's not just that it's disengenuous to suggest that people of voting on tuitions fees alone, but your response to the previous post. You said:

"LOLWUT?

If you are a student, not working, unemployed or other you are more likely to vote Labour - hardly surprising- gimmebenefits"

It was then pointed out to you that more people voted for labour than conservatives in ALL categories except retirees.

So, drawing back to the post I quoted, which I will do again here...


Your first paragraph misses (or should I say 'dodges') the point. It is only retirees that were more likely to vote for conservatives that labour - that is the point that is being made. You can't just shrug that off. Also, for those working full time (but excluding those voting for anything other than the 2 major parties), the split of conservative votes to labour votes is 46.4% to 53.6%. Or for every 100 conservative votes there were 115.4 labour votes. If you think that's a small difference then I certainly hope you also think the brexit referendum was a VERY close call...

As for the second paragraph, people vote for a plethora of reasons. I know many wealthy people that voted for labour despite the fact it would be for their financial detriment.
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Is it time to point out that those Tory voting pensioners are all receiving state benefits?
 
n111ck said:
That's not what I said just that less affluent people would be more attracted to all the benefits offered.
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Perhaps the problem is that so many people - including those in work - rely on benefits of some kind. Everything from housing benefit to child benefit.

Labour's manifesto wasn't about taxing the rich to give an income to the perennially unemployed. It was about tackling low-pay, the employers that aren't paying a fraction of what it actually costs to live, and exploitative practices.

It's a huge mistake to think that only the unemployed are on benefits. Many, many, many working people need benefits to make ends meet.

What's your solution to that, n111ck?
 
^^^^^^^ Yeah n111ck^^^^^^^^ whats your solution to that?


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