Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[Tefal]

Whilst I agree she should go, I also think her meeting the people wasn't her sole choice. More likely her being advised that she would basically be publicly humiliated By the multitude of very vocal "labour voters" for use of a better set of words to describe them.
She has about as much charisma as potato, who on earth would genuinely want to be comforted by her? It would be utterly disgenuine sympathy. I think the victims got lucky not having to meet her.

It's never really a great time to have a tragic event like this, but it's just being used politically by all sides and it's frankly sick and the media love it.

They did meet her, she did vist the residents she just visited the firemen and police first.

While corbyn only visted the residents

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

She visited a load of the injured in hospital and the other day had a load of the survivors visit 10 downing Street in order to air their concerns on top of speaking to all the fireman police, authorities etc. All on top of everything else that is needed to be done when running a country.

Perhaps you should take that chip of your shoulder. I wouldn't want to go mingle with all the corbyn momentum left wing socialist riff raff that have been hanging around there just waiting to use this for political gain either.

They even started protests storming council buildings. All with socialist and corbyn placards No doubt that's all ok with you of course?

The residents are left wing socialist riff raff are they?

A great number of the people protesting had no intention of doing so a couple of weeks ago. It's not just weebs out there doing it. A number of everyday people have had enough.

 

[dowie]

The residents are left wing socialist riff raff are they?

A great number of the people protesting had no intention of doing so a couple of weeks ago. It's not just weebs out there doing it. A number of everyday people have had enough.

it isn't exactly just the residents protesting

like the BBC clip after the Queen visited there was some random guy ranting and holding a bit of A4 paper with a picture of two kids (which still had some tape attached to it so presumably had been removed from wherever it was originally posted), some journalists asked him who the kids were and it seemed he had no clue

the guy leading the protest at the town hall is a Corbyn supporter and former terror suspect with a dodgy past at the Finsbury Park mosque

other momentum/Corbyn types have been filmed at the demo too

it is being milked by the left and used for a wider political game, seems pretty obvious howmeeting 'the people' outside the scope of meeting the actual victims/relatives in a Church and hospital would have turned out for the PM

 

[easyrider]

She visited a load of the injured in hospital and the other day had a load of the survivors visit 10 downing Street in order to air their concerns on top of speaking to all the fireman police, authorities etc. All on top of everything else that is needed to be done when running a country.

Perhaps you should take that chip of your shoulder. I wouldn't want to go mingle with all the corbyn momentum left wing socialist riff raff that have been hanging around there just waiting to use this for political gain either.

They even started protests storming council buildings. All with socialist and corbyn placards No doubt that's all ok with you of course?

Do you actually realise how offensive this post is ?

 

[Nitefly]

It's not that 'life changing' when over one third of abortions each year are repeat abortions, maybe they just like the sensation?

 

[stewski]

It's not that 'life changing' when over one third of abortions each year are repeat abortions, maybe they just like the sensation? It costs one million pounds per week for the NHS to conduct repeat abortions, maybe only the first one should be a freebie?

What ever your opinion on abortion the current law is very flaky, if you read the law and interpret it as written I think the statistic on abortions would be much lower but unfortunately the condition 'of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family;' seems to also be interpreted to include in injury to the purse or wallet and/or general inconvenience.

If people were more responsible with sexual encounters abortion rates would be a lot lower but unfortunately people take very little accountability for themselves and take even less accountability for the consequences (I know of some truly awful stories which I can't repeat here). I do believe in abortion on the grounds predicated by the current law but the current law is being disregarded.

I think it's a terrible culture that treats children, even unborn children, as disposable and I don't buy the argument that women have, or should have, total rights to do what ever they feel like. Most would have done well to exercise that right on the night of conception.

The abortion argument is a microcosm of society at large whereby nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions and I think it's shameful.

So lets have another election and you can convince the Conservatives to write a Manifesto (with content this time) that includes the opinions on "life" the universe and everything of the DUP!

 

[RDM]

Dismissing victims and those who lost their homes as 'corbyn momentum left wing socialist riff raff' is a very dangerous road to go down, and also speaks volunes about your lack of empathy and understanding. This isn't about you vs them, this is about a community who have long been saying for years that their living situation has been purposefully neglected, and you're here trying to score political points.

This is why everyone is angry.

At the town hall protest there were an awful lot of momentum and SWP signs. They could very well have been residents I suppose, do you think they were?

 

[a1ex2001]

It's not that 'life changing' when over one third of abortions each year are repeat abortions, maybe they just like the sensation? It costs one million pounds per week for the NHS to conduct repeat abortions, maybe only the first one should be a freebie?

What ever your opinion on abortion the current law is very flaky, if you read the law and interpret it as written I think the statistic on abortions would be much lower but unfortunately the condition 'of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family;' seems to also be interpreted to include in injury to the purse or wallet and/or general inconvenience.

If people were more responsible with sexual encounters abortion rates would be a lot lower but unfortunately people take very little accountability for themselves and take even less accountability for the consequences (I know of some truly awful stories which I can't repeat here). I do believe in abortion on the grounds predicated by the current law but the current law is being disregarded.

I think it's a terrible culture that treats children, even unborn children, as disposable and I don't buy the argument that women have, or should have, total rights to do what ever they feel like. Most would have done well to exercise that right on the night of conception.

The abortion argument is a microcosm of society at large whereby nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions and I think it's shameful.

So the vast majority 60%+ are life changing? The repeat statistic includes any woman who has more than one in a lifetime so they could be a decade or more apart hardly regular contraceptive practice? The assumption that people are just using it as another form of conteception is based on nothing more than biased hyperbole. Really the concern should be why a group of women are stuck in a cycle of multiple abortions what is causing them to be in the same situation and how can society help/educate them? Banning abortion won't stop them getting pregnant and will only boost back street practices and risk more children landing up in our woefully inadequate care system.

 

[a1ex2001]

At the town hall protest there were an awful lot of momentum and SWP signs. They could very well have been residents I suppose, do you think they were?

Surely everyone knows and accepts that any protest of any nature in this country attracts the 'professional' protesters who want to use it fo their own reasons!

 

[Johno please?]

It's not that 'life changing' when over one third of abortions each year are repeat abortions, maybe they just like the sensation? It costs one million pounds per week for the NHS to conduct repeat abortions, maybe only the first one should be a freebie?

What ever your opinion on abortion the current law is very flaky, if you read the law and interpret it as written I think the statistic on abortions would be much lower but unfortunately the condition 'of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family;' seems to also be interpreted to include in injury to the purse or wallet and/or general inconvenience.

If people were more responsible with sexual encounters abortion rates would be a lot lower but unfortunately people take very little accountability for themselves and take even less accountability for the consequences (I know of some truly awful stories which I can't repeat here). I do believe in abortion on the grounds predicated by the current law but the current law is being disregarded.

I think it's a terrible culture that treats children, even unborn children, as disposable and I don't buy the argument that women have, or should have, total rights to do what ever they feel like. Most would have done well to exercise that right on the night of conception.

The abortion argument is a microcosm of society at large whereby nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions and I think it's shameful.

Couldn't agree more, on a related note children being beaten/abused and killed by their scum parents is more common than I thought....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27260371
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/three-children-killed-parents-every-7871479

 

[vincent1989]

So the vast majority 60%+ are life changing?

Only life changing assuming the 66% don't become part of 34% the following year.

The repeat statistic includes any woman who has more than one in a lifetime so they could be a decade or more apart hardly regular contraceptive practice?

Absolutely, the older you are the more likely you are to have had multiple abortions however it's still over 25% in under 25s.

the assumption that people are just using it as another form of conteception is based on nothing more than biased hyperbole.

Demonstrably untrue even to the point that 60 abortions a year are given to people with a history of seven or more previous abortions. I know personally of people who have engaged in unprotected sex in the knowledge that they could get an abortion if worst came to worst.

really the concern should be why a group of women are stuck in a cycle of multiple abortions what is causing them to be in the same situation and how can society help/educate them? Banning abortion won't stop them getting pregnant and will only boost back street practices and risk more children landing up in our woefully inadequate care system.

I've not argued for it to be banned, I can understand scenarios where it might be 'for the best' the obvious being rape, serious disability and likelihood of serious physical or mental harm for the mother but I feel fairly confident that those who have abortions for these reasons are in the minority. In short I support the law as it is currently written but I don't support how it is being applied/misapplied. And you are absolutely right, more needs to be done to tackle this at source but by saying that you contradict yourself when you say it's not being used as a last resort contraceptive.

 

[scorza]

A rare bit of good news, Dianne Abbot, everyone's favourite Shadow Home Secretary, has made a full recovery and is back in her post.

 

[vincent1989]

A rare bit of good news, Dianne Abbot, everyone's favourite Shadow Home Secretary, has made a full recovery and is back in her post.

That's very good news, she's very well liked in her constituency after all

 

[stewski]

Couldn't agree more, on a related note children being beaten/abused and killed by their scum parents is more common than I thought....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27260371
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/three-children-killed-parents-every-7871479

Can you detail the related/relationship as you see it between parents beating or murdering children and the termination of a fetus?

 

[Greebo]

if you look at polls regarding people who have had an abortion, it would say otherwise. MORI poll springs to mind, there's others though

What like this one that shows 95% of women who had an abortion don't regret it?

http://time.com/3956781/women-abortion-regret-reproductive-health/

Or the fact that every poll carried out only around 4% of people are against abortion? Okay some want the limit reduced but that's about a 50/50 split ATM.

 

[Greebo]

It's not that 'life changing' when over one third of abortions each year are repeat abortions, maybe they just like the sensation? It costs one million pounds per week for the NHS to conduct repeat abortions, maybe only the first one should be a freebie?

What ever your opinion on abortion the current law is very flaky, if you read the law and interpret it as written I think the statistic on abortions would be much lower but unfortunately the condition 'of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family;' seems to also be interpreted to include in injury to the purse or wallet and/or general inconvenience.

If people were more responsible with sexual encounters abortion rates would be a lot lower but unfortunately people take very little accountability for themselves and take even less accountability for the consequences (I know of some truly awful stories which I can't repeat here). I do believe in abortion on the grounds predicated by the current law but the current law is being disregarded.

I think it's a terrible culture that treats children, even unborn children, as disposable and I don't buy the argument that women have, or should have, total rights to do what ever they feel like. Most would have done well to exercise that right on the night of conception.

The abortion argument is a microcosm of society at large whereby nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions and I think it's shameful.

I assume you read this in the daily mail? In reality the actual data is more telling with 92% or these "repeat" abortions occurring in the over 35s. Hence it fair more the case that a woman might have had an abortion when young and then again needed another one 20 years on. The longer a woman lives the more likely that she will have two abortions in her life. Common sense.

This is a far cry away from saying it's a culture of repeat abortions just using them as contraceptive. You really do have a bad attitude on this and assume the worst.

 

[VoG]

Ughh I feel so dirty posting a DM link but seems the tory vultures are circling...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614928/May-just-TEN-days-save-job.html

 

[D.P.]

I assume you read this in the daily mail? In reality the actual data is more telling with 92% or these "repeat" abortions occurring in the over 35s. Hence it fair more the case that a woman might have had an abortion when young and then again needed another one 20 years on. The longer a woman lives the more likely that she will have two abortions in her life. Common sense.

This is a far cry away from saying it's a culture of repeat abortions just using them as contraceptive. You really do have a bad attitude on this and assume the worst.

Many repeat abortions are also due to congenial birth defects and conditions. The baby might need multiple serious surgeries and even then a 50% the child won't live past 2 years etc.

 

[mmj_uk]

Ughh I feel so dirty posting a DM link but seems the tory vultures are circling...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614928/May-just-TEN-days-save-job.html

Brexit is obviously the motivation behind it, getting rid of May and installing a PM who will keep us in the single market is the option left for the establishment remainers. We're days away from the behind the biggest negotiations in our countries recent history and they're calling for May to step down because she didn't virtue signal enough. I'm sorry but being a good people person is not a requirement for PM, it's why I hate TV debates they become all about charisma, body language and other pointless personality traits.

 

[stewski]

Brexit is obviously the motivation behind it, getting rid of May and installing a PM who will keep us in the single market is the option left for the establishment remainers. We're days away from the behind the biggest negotiations in our countries recent history and they're calling for May to step down because she didn't virtue signal enough.

And/or she's not very good?