Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%
  • Total voters
    1,097
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mmj_uk said:
Brexit is obviously the motivation behind it, getting rid of May and installing a PM who will keep us in the single market is the option left for the establishment remainers. We're days away from the behind the biggest negotiations in our countries recent history and they're calling for May to step down because she didn't virtue signal enough. I'm sorry but being a good people person is not a requirement for PM, it's why I hate TV debates they become all about charisma, body language and other pointless personality traits.
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I wouldn't say that those traits are pointless. Part of being a good leader is being able to inspire and connect with others. Unfortunately for May she has come after two Prime Ministers in Blair and Cameron who were very good at it.
 
Tunney said:
I wouldn't say that those traits are pointless. Part of being a good leader is being able to inspire and connect with others. Unfortunately for May she has come after two Prime Ministers in Blair and Cameron who were very good at it.
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Thing is she didn't even need to do much - people aren't looking to her to be their friend they just want to know they are being heard and something is actually being done about the issues facing them.
 
It's not her charisma that is the issue, its her abject lack of leadership, continual screw ups and down right uselessness. Plus shes mental and pulls funny faces.
 
vincent1989 said:
Only life changing assuming the 66% don't become part of 34% the following year.



Absolutely, the older you are the more likely you are to have had multiple abortions however it's still over 25% in under 25s.



Demonstrably untrue even to the point that 60 abortions a year are given to people with a history of seven or more previous abortions. I know personally of people who have engaged in unprotected sex in the knowledge that they could get an abortion if worst came to worst.



I've not argued for it to be banned, I can understand scenarios where it might be 'for the best' the obvious being rape, serious disability and likelihood of serious physical or mental harm for the mother but I feel fairly confident that those who have abortions for these reasons are in the minority. In short I support the law as it is currently written but I don't support how it is being applied/misapplied. And you are absolutely right, more needs to be done to tackle this at source but by saying that you contradict yourself when you say it's not being used as a last resort contraceptive.
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Clearly we just see things far to differently, your views are beyond alien to me I only hope you or someone you love is never in a position where you need/want an abortion you will find for the vast majority of people it is nothing like as trivial an experience as you think.
 
chroniclard said:
It's not her charisma that is the issue, its her abject lack of leadership, continual screw ups and down right uselessness. Plus shes mental and pulls funny faces.
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Agree with all of that which is compounded by her total lack of charisma and empathy she is the most out of touch prime minister in my adult life which is saying something when she followed Cameron the pig lover!
 
The odds were against May from the word go. There hasn't been a successful mid-term Prime Minister since MacMillan.

I do wonder if time spent on the opposition benches as party leader bestows valuable practice? Just look at Corbyn now vs two years ago. He's a lot more slick now.
 
satchef1 said:
The odds were against May from the word go. There hasn't been a successful mid-term Prime Minister since MacMillan.

I do wonder if time spent on the opposition benches as party leader bestows valuable practice? Just look at Corbyn now vs two years ago. He's a lot more slick now.
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I think that is partly due to the bullying by David Cameron - it forced him to pull his socks up kind of plus he has had more time in general now to see what does and doesn't work when on the forefront of politics. The other factor is that he has relatively been able to run his campaign unopposed other than the media sniping - he hasn't had his feathers "ruffled" in the same way he would if he had been campaigning against a competent opponent instead of TM.

There may also be another element to it - its basically out of the Maxist "playbook" to play it a bit rougher and activist like while building the party up and wait for a peak of public sentiment against capitalism before turning on the slicker sale's pitch.
 
Greebo said:
I assume you read this in the daily mail? In reality the actual data is more telling with 92% or these "repeat" abortions occurring in the over 35s. Hence it fair more the case that a woman might have had an abortion when young and then again needed another one 20 years on. The longer a woman lives the more likely that she will have two abortions in her life. Common sense.

This is a far cry away from saying it's a culture of repeat abortions just using them as contraceptive. You really do have a bad attitude on this and assume the worst.
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NHS actually, better luck next time with your ad hominem attack.
 
vincent1989 said:
NHS actually, better luck next time with your ad hominem attack.
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Well the NHS report doesnt come to the conclusion you did that its women using abortion as contraceptive. Neither do the majority of observers. Google shows the Daily Mail used this stats to claim that. Just wondered if that is where you got your interpretation from or if not, your reasoning behind it?
 
gettothechopper said:
Good to see Philly Hammond talking a little bit more sensibly about things (something they have been rubbish at lately)
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Except that made the "hard" Brexiteers in his party froth at the mouth. Heard one Tory MP on the radio today saying Hammond is wrong, 85% of the British public voted for a hard brexit and its abhorrent that Hammond should be considering anything less.
 
Greebo said:
Except that made the "hard" Brexiteers in his party froth at the mouth. Heard one Tory MP on the radio today saying Hammond is wrong, 85% of the British public voted for a hard brexit and its abhorrent that Hammond should be considering anything less.
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Let them froth I say..

anyone claiming "why people voted" on anything (in either direction) is usually talking some sweet BS
people vote lots of ways on lots of things for different reasons

Yes the vote went for leave, and most sensible people are accepting of that
I don't see why that means we have to pander to the frothers on everything
As we saw in the ref and then the election, the country is very divided

If we want any kind of unified position for negotiations, the Brexits may need to accept they got what they wanted, and be prepared to take some more views into account than just their own, and then we might actually have a way forward, rather than the current shambles
 
gettothechopper said:
Let them froth I say..

anyone claiming "why people voted" on anything (in either direction) is usually talking some sweet BS
people vote lots of ways on lots of things for different reasons

Yes the vote went for leave, and most sensible people are accepting of that
I don't see why that means we have to pander to the Nationalists on everything
As we saw in the ref and then the election, the country is very divided

If we want any kind of unified position for negotiations, the Brexits may need to accept they got what they wanted, and be prepared to take some more views into account than just their own, and then we might actually have a way forward, rather than the current shambles
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As has been said 48% in the EU referendum voted to keep FOM and tariff free trade with the EU (along with full membership), it is highly probable that one or both of those are the majority accepted position of people in the UK!
 
stewski said:
As has been said 48% in the EU referendum voted to keep FOM and tariff free trade with the EU (along with full membership), it is highly probable that one or both of those are the majority accepted position of people in the UK!
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IMHO it was a lot of the "no deal" talk, and a fairly aggressive angle the PM started with that has caused the pushback, If FOM goes - I doubt many will kick off, the tariffs from a no deal doesn't go down well with businesses though
 
gettothechopper said:
IMHO it was a lot of the "no deal" talk, and a fairly aggressive angle the PM started with that has caused the pushback, If FOM goes - I doubt many will kick off, the tariffs from a no deal doesn't go down well with businesses though
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I'd say most people understand that compromises are required for anything like a sensible outcome.

Frankly just the idea of re branding a tariff free trade settlement as not Single Market is already far better than I'm an Awkward woman (never a truer word said) and No deal is.

On a personal note with tariff free access and "controlled" FOM I think a vast majority could be satisfied, I'm just saying the Bull in the China shop, trump hand holding, EU name calling is far less intelligent than what is required!
 
stewski said:
I'd say most people understand that compromises are required for anything like a sensible outcome.

Frankly just the idea of re branding a tariff free trade settlement as not Single Market is already far better than I'm an Awkward woman (never a truer word said) and No deal is.

On a personal note with tariff free access and "controlled" FOM I think a vast majority could be satisfied, I'm just saying the Bull in the China shop, trump hand holding, EU name calling is far less intelligent than what is required!
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Agreed !

See, between us we have solved it! everyone else must be outside enjoying the sun :p:p
 
gettothechopper said:
Let them froth I say..
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Unfortunatley it's the hard brexiters in the tory party who are driving things forward, they will not accept any thing less than a hard brexit & May does not have the back bone to defy them, she will put the party before the country just like Cameron did before her.
 
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