Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%

  • Total voters
    1,097
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I think it was Proudhon, the French socialist anarchist, who stated that all property is theft. I don't think Corbyn is advocating theft, but there's commonality in their thinking.
 
All property and land should be taxed, additional property beyond a single personal home should Farber an additional tax.

This would at least generate some revenue from the unoccupied houses.
 
Something has to be done about the number of empty properties there are in London. Housing is under such extreme pressure that the status quo can't continue. Unfortunately, it's clear that the Conservatives (and some Labour politicians) have too much to lose from the kind of action that's needed.

I agree that compulsory purchasing orders aren't going to help rehouse the residents in this situation but it's a conversation that needs to happen.
 
Because the government has no business in forcing people to sell their assets on a whim. How do you know that house wasn't someones life savings in investment ready for when they retire? They get forced to sell it at market value and lose out any appreciation it may gain in the years until they retire.

The only way it could work is if they were payed *substantially* more than the current market value, and then whos going to pay for it? Another rich persons tax?

I have absolutely no problem with the state forcing the sale of disused property, especially where it is an issue with surrounding properties and city planning.
We live as a society, the free market with no regulation is a jungle, we make the rules that benefit us all.
 
All property and land should be taxed, additional property beyond a single personal home should Farber an additional tax.

This would at least generate some revenue from the unoccupied houses.

indeed, increasing taxation on unoccupied homes would soon incentivise the investors to either rent them out or sell them.. councils already have the ability to do this to some extent, whether Kensington does at the moment I'm not sure but perhaps if they do then there needs to be a change to allow further increases
 
I think it was Proudhon, the French socialist anarchist, who stated that all property is theft. I don't think Corbyn is advocating theft, but there's commonality in their thinking.
Eh? The anarchist statement means that any notion of private ownership of property is theft i.e. nothing belongs to anyone because everything belongs to everyone and no one. Corbyn would seemingly be advocating the state being able to take ownership of anything at any time, basically meaning that the state has ultimate ownership of anything, no questions asked. The two are completely different. One is anarchy, the other is... some sort of totalitarian tyranny, like the polar opposite of anarchy.
 
Eh? The anarchist statement means that any notion of private ownership of property is theft i.e. nothing belongs to anyone because everything belongs to everyone and no one. Corbyn would seemingly be advocating the state being able to take ownership of anything at any time, basically meaning that the state has ultimate ownership of anything, no questions asked. The two are completely different. One is anarchy, the other is... some sort of totalitarian tyranny, like the polar opposite of anarchy.

They're far from polar opposites. Proudhon advocated worker cooperatives over nationalism - he wanted the same results but just wanted to cut out the middle man - the state.
 
The argument in this thread is ridiculous. The labour party movement is ultimately a workers' movement and not a marxist party. No one believes JC is a Marxist or anyone can become one just because they read about it. Nor does anyone believe that the labour party will turn the UK into a communist country as soon as he gets the key to number 10.

I also challenge anyone to state what is the definition of Marxism vs. Marxism\Lenism( which has been the only attempt at implementating Marxism in any country inc. Venezuela).
 
The argument in this thread is ridiculous. The labour party movement is ultimately a workers' movement and not a marxist party. No one believes JC is a Marxist or anyone can become one just because they read about it. Nor does anyone believe that the labour party will turn the UK into a communist country as soon as he gets the key to number 10.

I also challenge anyone to state what is the definition of Marxism vs. Marxism\Lenism( which has been the only attempt at implementating Marxism in any country inc. Venezuela).

Don't even bother discussing it with them, they'll parrot DM and The Sun headlines till they go red in the face.
 
I think an easy way to make sure things stay occupied is an increasing non-occupancy tax, going up 3% every year, those 10 year empty abodes would be costing those ******** 30% of the value of the home.
 
I think an easy way to make sure things stay occupied is an increasing non-occupancy tax, going up 3% every year, those 10 year empty abodes would be costing those ******** 30% of the value of the home.

Sensible but i would also apply it to abodes that are rented out above a certain price threshold which are relative to prices of property in that area/road at different tax brackets. This way if people wanted to price gouge on rent, they would risk not having a tenant and paying the non occupied tax. It would never happen while the landowners are the decision makers though.
 
Something has to be done about the number of empty properties there are in London. Housing is under such extreme pressure that the status quo can't continue. Unfortunately, it's clear that the Conservatives (and some Labour politicians) have too much to lose from the kind of action that's needed.

I agree that compulsory purchasing orders aren't going to help rehouse the residents in this situation but it's a conversation that needs to happen.
Not saying I disagree, but the main reason why housing is under such pressure is because of the mass immigration we've suffered for the past decade or so. More people = more demand for housing, which results in ever-increasing house prices which encourages speculation, including buying properties and leaving them empty.
 
Has the DUP "agreement" materialised yet?


I'm wondering if they did a verbal agreement as they know there would be a backlash if they made it official. Extra spending here and there, which in isolation wouldn't get a second glance but once added up would raise many eyebrows.
 
Not saying I disagree, but the main reason why housing is under such pressure is because of the mass immigration we've suffered for the past decade or so. More people = more demand for housing, which results in ever-increasing house prices which encourages speculation, including buying properties and leaving them empty.

And nothing to do with all the rich foreign nationals buying property they know will only go up in value. Plenty of places in london have never been lived in, bought off plan, completed and sat vacant.

There are different issues with housing in different areas, trying to yet again blame all ills on immigration wont cut it, try harder for once rather than parroting the same lines for everything that goes wrong/isn't a Brexiteers wet dream
 
Not saying I disagree, but the main reason why housing is under such pressure is because of the mass immigration we've suffered for the past decade or so. More people = more demand for housing, which results in ever-increasing house prices which encourages speculation, including buying properties and leaving them empty.

Of course it must be immigrants and nothing to do with land banking and the fact that housing production is at the lowest level since reliable records began in the 1920s...
 
I'd say most people understand that compromises are required for anything like a sensible outcome.

Frankly just the idea of re branding a tariff free trade settlement as not Single Market is already far better than I'm an Awkward woman (never a truer word said) and No deal is.

On a personal note with tariff free access and "controlled" FOM I think a vast majority could be satisfied, I'm just saying the Bull in the China shop, trump hand holding, EU name calling is far less intelligent than what is required!

yeah i think the majority will be happy with that - similar to the controlled FOM that Switzerland has.
 
I like @StriderX 's idea, but applying it to properties that are rented misses the point somewhat and confuses the issue of rent affordability with ensuring land is put to a useful purpose. The discussion was about empty homes that do not serve their primary purpose of housing people.

It is quite a sensible idea, having an escalating tax on land / properties that are idle and not working / occupied, and would certainly encourage more development of older, existing brown properties.
 
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