F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

Wow I cannot believe this decision has been made, I feel it will totally ruin the sport, as much as the extra racing that will be involved is a good thing with the race decisions last year it wont work, but the fact that the season could be decided very early on is ridiculous even worse than when schumacher was involved.

Only good thing I can see is from McLarens point of view if they have a slow car is that they can concentrate on using the first few races as a development period and just aim to win the championship at the last.
 
Dorje said:
There won't be any more conservative driving where drivers will just settle for points.

More aggressive racing strategies, emphasis on making more (risky) manoevures.

Just in general more exciting racing, hopefully.

Obviously the huge pitfall is that someone could run away with the championship and bring the F1 calendar year to a close early.
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The 12 - 9 - 7 points system would have been perfect. Reward winners whilst still keeping a nod to reliability. Teams will very quickly establish a lead driver to the detriment of the second driver, who...may...be asked to tank other cars. It happens now, but, potentially it will be more obvious.

It puts a huge dent into the whole 8 engines for the whole season. Why not simply run those engines into the ground for 8 races, collect 8 wins and you're set? Bugger off and go home.

Part of me hopes it works out and we have 3-4 drivers on 3-4 wins come the end of the season. Part of me hopes someone runs away with it and the whole system gets scrapped after a year.
 
Nodirection said:
It puts a huge dent into the whole 8 engines for the whole season. Why not simply run those engines into the ground for 8 races, collect 8 wins and you're set? Bugger off and go home.
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I'm sure the FIA would pull out their usual get out of jail free card of 'Bringing the sport into disrepute' if anyone did that.
 
more stupid ideas.

the whole reason why people race for 2nd place now is to look after engines and gearboxes etc. Before those rules came into force, people raced upto the flag to try and win... Sigh.
 
Yeah, things were shaping up well for this season, what with the new rules, a shakeup in the performance of the teams (at least provisionally on testing), the fact it's back on BBC. Now we're going to see some races essentially decided on the Saturday, with very little interest in what happens in the middle of the field.
 
New scoring system is a total farce.

How about this scenario? Driver A wins five races but fails to score more than a handful of points in the remaining races. Driver B wins four races but comes second in most of the remaining races. Driver A would win the championship despite having far fewer points than driver B.

Complete joke. The FOTA proposal would have achieved the desired effect of increasing the value of a win without introducing this laughable possibility.
 
Dorje said:
Can't believe everyone is being so pessimistic about it. No one can see the advantage of this?
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Indeed, this forum is crazy in its negative reaction is just about every F1 related change/announcement! :rolleyes:

I think it's a great move! Even if someone gets 9 wins in the bag in the first 10 races they will still race for constructor points. What it will stop, is people settling for 2nd as often happened last year.
 
Is it just me or is formula one heading for the same trash heap as BTCC? The decisions being taken by those running the sport at the minute just seem to be utter comedy and everyone but them seems to agree.
 
clv101 said:
Indeed, this forum is crazy in its negative reaction is just about every F1 related change/announcement! :rolleyes:

I think it's a great move! Even if someone gets 9 wins in the bag in the first 10 races they will still race for constructor points. What it will stop, is people settling for 2nd as often happened last year.
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There problem is, unless the teams are on an even keel car wise (IE: identical), some teams are completely unable to go for wins. Winning usually means being the fastest and most relaible. This pushes the goalposts further and makes it very hard for those who may not get that oppertunity to win but fight very hard to get o nthe peduim or eve nroll in 5th or whatever. IF the top drivers fall off the road it's their fault and the cars who have drive nhard and entertained get the recognition they deserve for not falling off the track.

This new scheme will alienate most of the teams IMO and with manufacturers looking to pull out left right and centre, this could be a good excuse.
 
JRS said:
Sure, knock yourself out. He's blamed for just about everything else anyway.
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I'm normally the first to defend Bernie (I'll see him later probably ;)) when people blame him for FIA decisions but this is clearly his medals idea under a different name. Unless you think it's just a coincidence that he mentioned he wanted a radical change to the F1 points system and now it's happened a few weeks later?
 
Just as this was shaping up to be a fantastic season the FIA decide to do this :/

I'm really hoping it still turns out to be a great season. This not only gives the possibility of a slightly undeserved driver winning the championship (ofcourse it depends on how he does in non-win races - if they were all decent finishes I wouldn't be bothered) but I feel it will just end up looking confusing to anyone looking at the championship standings if the guy in first is there because of more wins, but perhaps only having enough points to be in 3rd or similar :/

It's shocking to think that the points system was changed so someone couldn't walk away with a championship just on wins (back on the 10,6,4.... system) - then as soon as a driver wins by consistency they decide to change it again. :mad:
 
Wicksta said:
I'm normally the first to defend Bernie (I'll see him later probably ;)) when people blame him for FIA decisions but this is clearly his medals idea under a different name. Unless you think it's just a coincidence that he mentioned it and now it's happened?
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Not at all. It isn't a coincidence - it's the same idea, made even more retarded by the fact that a perfectly decent proposal from FOTA was on the table and was rejected.
 
you know what, that idea of Racing for wins in 8 races, then not bothering to show up is a great one....think of the cost cutting there!
 
JRS said:
Not at all. It isn't a coincidence - it's the same idea, made even more retarded by the fact that a perfectly decent proposal from FOTA was on the table and was rejected.
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We are in total agreement then, by your post I was thinking you were saying Bernie isn't the perpetrator in this case. :D

The FOTA suggestion was indeed the best one, reward a win sure but don't make it that skewed that there is no point in running a two car team.
 
It pretty much kills this kind of scenario.

Say Massa (probably a WDC contender this year) has a problem during qualifying. Breaks down or whatever and starts from the back of the grid. Produces a storming ride to get to an eventual 2nd/3rd place.

Hell of a lot less "merit"/worth to doing this now isn't there? :(

Will the team even bother let him do this, and instead conserve an engine, or test some new aero part/setting?
 
One problem I can see with this is say a front runner loses his front wing in the first corner. Normally he'd have limped back to the pits, then in most cases, charged through the pack to try and get up into the points. Why would any front runner want to do this now? Sure for team constructor points, but are they really going to drive as hard as they would have if the points were going to help them get the drivers championship? I doubt it.

Go back to original reward system, and while we're at it, original qualifying.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Is it just me or is formula one heading for the same trash heap as BTCC? The decisions being taken by those running the sport at the minute just seem to be utter comedy and everyone but them seems to agree.
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Needs more ballast, in the form of sandbags strapped to the side pods :)

I'm going to reserver judgement until the end of the first race.g,
 
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