Just like they have done soo many times in the past when Ferrari has got battered in the first race....name me but one occasion
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Just like they have done soo many times in the past when Ferrari has got battered in the first race....name me but one occasion
The diffuser thing is only relevant to the first race really as after that either the other teams will have it or no one will. There's no way of knowing how much of a performance gain it is until that happens anyway.
Also, MC Larens were much quicker at the end of the Jerez test so they won't be that far off in Melbourne, and they have Kers which will make them difficult to get past.
KERS should work in McLaren's favour, though until we see it in action, we won't know for sure.
Also, the jury is still out with regards to McLaren's performance - they did indeed go faster on their final day, but then so did the only other car that tested that day. So, McLaren's and Williams' improvement on that last day couldve been down to track conditions.
All will be revealed in Australia though. Not long to wait now people.
The extra power that Kers provides will make it near impossible for a non-kers car to pass a kers car.
Don't be fooled by the fastest times. While it's hard to know what a team is testing the McLaren was doing consistently good times. The fastest time they did was the only qually sim they did so didn't put much time into it. I saw all of the times as I was there so I'll be very surprised if they're not competitive in Melbourne.
So have the FIA actually done anything about their dodgy rule changing antics, or just stated that they thought that because the FOTA 'support a change of rules' that they thought they supported this specific change, not the one they actually put forward?
Thats the theory and I believe this is what will happen. However, I think we should wait until we see it being used on the track, to good effect.
I disagree. The BrawnGP cars were consistently setting lap times which were faster than McLaren's fastest times (both at Barcelona and Jerez). Furthermore, Hamilton went off a few times, pushing hard, trying to go faster. The faster cars seemed like they had something to spare - the McLaren seemed on its limit. Despite pushing so hard Hamilton still finished way off of the leaders' pace.
In that case, they should be very worried, as they were still about half a second slower than the Toyota/Williams (at Jerez on final day), who in turn wasn't the fastest front running car. I would've expected the BrawnGP cars to go about a second faster than Heikki's best effort on final day of testing.
12 km/h extra on the straight is very good effect!
I'm talking relative to their performance in earlier tests and relative to the Williams. Don't get me wrong, I don't see them being as quick as the Brawn car but it looks like they've improved.
Interestingly it looked a handful in the corners compared to the Williams which is very likely down to the poorer weight distribution that running with KERS brings. I guess they may be struggling with the aero package a bit too as they did do some flow-vis running last week.
Its going to be down to how it works throughout the whole lap. Yes, it may be faster down the striaght, but if your struggling with poor weight distribution for the rest of the lap a non KERS car may be able to get much closer through the bends. We may have the great to watch situation where 2 cars may be doing exactly the same lap times, but be faster in completely different parts of the track.
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At least they haver binned the "driver that wins the most races win's the championship" rule. That does not reward consistancy. You could have a driver win 9 of the 17 races and win the championship even if he had a DNF for all of the other races, yet a driver who consistantly finishes in the top three and has more point's would be a "runner up". Where's the logic in that? The point's system does need a shake up though. Maybe something like in Moto GP?
1st = 25 points
2nd = 20 points
3rd = 16 points
4th = 13 points
5th = 11 points
6th = 10 points
7th = 9 points
8th = 8 points
9th = 7 points
10th = 6 points
11th = 5 points
12th = 4 point
13th = 3 points
14th = 2 points
15th = 1 point
Seems to work well enough for them.
1st = 25 points
2nd = 20 points
3rd = 16 points
4th = 13 points
5th = 11 points
6th = 10 points
7th = 9 points
8th = 8 points
9th = 7 points
10th = 6 points
11th = 5 points
12th = 4 point
13th = 3 points
14th = 2 points
15th = 1 point
Seems to work well enough for them.
I have always wondered about something like this. Being a Midfield runer in F1 means you will fail to score points most of the time, the MotoGP style means people will atleast be able to fight for points in most positions.
Any car with more power is going to be the hardest to get past even if it is a little slower through the bends. As soon as you get onto the straight the more powerful car is gone until you reach the next corner. The merc engine is already one of the most powerful engines in F1.
Surely if that was the case everyone would run with absolute minimal downforce in the races for the extra few MPH at the top end?
I agree it is true to an extent, but I do feel with the Brawn cars being so much quicker in total over a lap than say the Mclarens, even with the KERS I still think the Brawn caars will pass them easily. I'm assuming here that the Mclarens were using the KERs to get the times they were achieving in testing.
Ofcourse we will see how it plays out come Melbourne.
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So everyone who turns up scores a point
But it will only have more power once, for 6 seconds, per lap. If you have a track with a couple of long straights, they will be even in power for all but one of them, and if the KERS car pulls out of the corner slower and has to brake earlier, then the non KERS can just have it then. KERS doesnt make you faster all the time, it makes you faster for one point in the lap, the rest, you have a heavier car than the rest...
Not quite - 20 cars this year aren't there?
I don't think giving a point to everyone who finishes is a bad thing though, its a reward for not crashing and having a reliable car. So long as there is a big difference between finishing at the fast en of the grid and at the back I think it could only be a good thing.
You'd get the last 2 cars on the grid fighting over a single point or something, I reckon it would be great
So one time your telling us it wasn't an even fight because of all the behind the scenes stuff going on at mclaren at the time, now because it suits your argument you have yet again flip flopped to suit your point of view.
So lets get this straight once and for all did Hamilton having the measure of alonso fair and square or did the fall out with the team have any bearing on the outcome.
Which side do you wish to fight this time?
TBH De La Rosa would beat them both
He would if he was in a BGP
Actually, being serious for a moment, what are the chances of De la Rosa getting a drive in one of the now 6 Merc engined cars?