F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

Yes yes, but CSI, it was upto those drivers to negotiate their way into those better performing cars.

None of those drivers got into competitive cars by laying back, taking it easy, bottle of beer in hand, feet up - wait for knock on door. They had to graft. They had to get their agents to talk to other teams and put the word out that their client was "looking".

If you look at what Alonso is doing right now - he is laying the ground work for a big money move to Ferrari. He finished the year very strongly, to show that he still has what it takes, unlike Button who seemed extraordinarily relaxed during 2008. Do you think Alonso, Senna, Prost or Mansell would've been so relaxed under similar circumstances?

If you look at how Senna arrived at Williams (which turned out to be a bad move) - it took 18 months for him to achieve his goal, after he practically begged to join the Williams team.

Being a top-line driver in F1 is not only about being good on the track, but also having the cunning (off-track), to manouvre himself into the best team/car. Button has done a terrible job of this and has landed himself in a situation where, once again, he would've been at the back of the grid (no matter what Brawn was saying, as its difficult to take him seriously after the lies he spouted in 2008) - the fact that Honda pulled out, saved them and Button the embarrassment of qualifying around the back, at the start of 2009, with Brawn then declaring that they are concentrating their efforts for 2010 (the story that has been used repeatedly).
wasn`t Alonso new found speed down the them being aloud to develop the engine(so they can catch up with other teams) were the other have had there engine development frozen
Alonso would have be crying by now and would have already left the team
 
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We can tell he'd be worse than Barrichello... The same Barrichello that half the world seemed to regard as "a monkey" back around 2002. :(
Poor Barrichello, he was good!

The same Rubens he pounded when he joined the team?

People put too much stock in this A is better than B when the car is very poor. All they did is build a complete bag of crap that suits one driver slightly better than the other.

If by some miracle honda have built a decent car and they get funded for next year, a car thats incredibly fast and smooth then Button would retire Rubens just like he did JV.

There's only one driver in F1 would can adapt to a car thats far from perfect and that's alonso.
 
Button would never join or have joined McLaren, due to the following reasons:

1: he would need to work hard and work under a lot of pressure - something he isnt used to or prepared to do. This is why he chooses to stay in teams that are at the back of the grid.
2: he would've had to take a pay cut, compared to big salary he was getting paid by Honda.
3: every mistake he made would come under the microscope, which is what happens when you are driving in a championship winning car.
4: everytime he had a poor race/qualifying, it would be highlighted and scrutinised.
5: at the end of the season, his points total would be compared with Hamilton's and we all know that over the last 2 years, Hamilton has scored more points than any other driver in F1, making it statistically difficult for Button to get close. Mentally, before even signing on the dotted line to drive with Hamilton, he would be petrified as his entire reputation could be shot to pieces 9 months later (should Hamilton blow him away).
6: everything Button did would be compared directly to Hamilton and as we all know Hamilton is something very special - even the driver widely recognised as the best in F1 (Alonso), was unable to outscore Hamilton, in the same car.

Button would have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose...unless he believed that he could beat Hamilton, in which case he would relish the challenge, but we all know that isnt the case. ;)

:p, Just :p
 
Buemi talking out of his backside then!

Saw Webber on New Year's Eve. On crutches but seemed to be in good spirits whilst currently undergoing rehabilitation. The Marilyn Monroe look-a-like took a shine to him as well!

He should be back in the car soon enough, Buemi might not get his car until March as we are letting STR do a lot more of their own work this year.
 
The mention of a sensor that stops the car leaving until the fuel hose is removed - why don't all the cars have that anyway?
Making it so the cars cannot physically pull away takes away the danger of dragging the fuel line away, it also means it is very unlikely to rupture spilling fuel.

Why are small things like this not brought in instead of the expensive and pointless things the FIA keep bring in? :confused:
 
The mention of a sensor that stops the car leaving until the fuel hose is removed - why don't all the cars have that anyway?
Making it so the cars cannot physically pull away takes away the danger of dragging the fuel line away, it also means it is very unlikely to rupture spilling fuel.

Why are small things like this not brought in instead of the expensive and pointless things the FIA keep bring in? :confused:

The sensor controls the light, not the car. The driver can still plant it when the lights are red and take the hose and crew with him. The Ferrari system relies on a number of people around the car pressing a button to determin they have finished, with the one on the fuel rig not able to be pressed untill its been disconnected from the car. The incident in Singapore was because they turned off the reliance on all buttons being pressed, and left it to one man to press a button that made the lights go green, which he did before the hose was removed.
 
I think the risks this system had should have meant it was banned. Without wishing to stir up to much crud, I also think that had it been any other team, it probably would have been.

*runs*

Well hell, how about we just ban refuelling? That solves most of the pit problems at a stroke. It should never have been brought back anyway. It adds very little positive stuff to the show aside from the very, very, very, very.....


....very, very occasional odd-ball strategy coming through and out-foxing everyone else (see Hungary '98, France and Britain '04 for examples - the last two are on Youtube if you hunt....oddly enough, all three were won by a bloke called Michael Schumacher with a spot of help from a Mr Ross Brawn....). Yet it adds all manner of stupid stuff ranging from fire to fluffed early releases to the oh-so-wonderful Random Intertechnique Fuel Rig Failure Of Ultimate Justice™.

And it took away so much. Drivers had to decide when to push and when to conserve fuel when they had only one tank of fuel. They had to be able to deal with a car that varied in weight considerably over the course of a race. It allowed for the spectacle of Senna hitching a ride home on the sidepod of Mansell's Williams. I'm all for a massive de-regulation of many technical aspects of Formula One, but I draw the line at refuelling.

And maybe ground effects.
 
As ive said before JRS, i agree that banning refueling is a good idea BUT only if other things change aswell. Currently you qualify with race fuel, so the grid is in the order of fastes car, and then its almost impossible to overtake, so just banning refueling would make for epicly boring races.

If you combine a return to low fuel qualifying, with the promises of more overtaking that the new aero is supposed to bring, and allow more variation in the cars such as more than one tyre manufacturer, NA vs Turbo engines, etc, AND THEN ban refueling, all will be well.

Simply banning refueling will not work.
 

Absolutely. And anyone who's actually read my posts on here over the years will know that I favour a return to the old 1 hour, 12 laps, smell-of-an-oily-rag qualifying format. And the return of different engine configs. And a massive overhaul of the car construction rules. And the removal of Max "I've been a very naughty boy" Mosley.
 
Why why why why why on earth are Ferrari going to bring the lights system back :mad::mad::mad:

Well, it could be that they like to nearly kill their refuelling guys. Or that they like giving up wins.

Or maybe, just maybe, they see some benefit in it. Maybe they are quicker with it. And that with a little operational change they can make it safer without sacrificing any speed. And Christ, it's not as if drivers haven't pulled away with the fuel rig still attached despite the team using a lollipop is it?
 
Well, it could be that they like to nearly kill their refuelling guys. Or that they like giving up wins.

Or maybe, just maybe, they see some benefit in it. Maybe they are quicker with it. And that with a little operational change they can make it safer without sacrificing any speed. And Christ, it's not as if drivers haven't pulled away with the fuel rig still attached despite the team using a lollipop is it?

I'm MooMoo not Christ, and I don't recall a lollypop ever costing a team the drivers championship :p:p
 
If by some miracle honda have built a decent car and they get funded for next year, a car thats incredibly fast and smooth then Button would retire Rubens just like he did JV.

I would agree with you on that, if we were talking about the Button of 2005/6. Unfortunately, in the last 18 months or so Button has totally lost his drive and ambition and no longer possesses the ability to compete at the sharp end or end people's careers. The Button of 2008 is a very ordinary driver who got beat, even by an old man, at the very end of his career.
 
in the last 18 months or so Button has totally lost his drive and ambition and no longer possesses the ability to compete at the sharp end or end people's careers.

Would you have the drive and ambition to compete at the sharp end if you knew you had a car that could barely compete in the mid pack?

Give Button a competitive car and we will see the old button return.
 
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