F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

sunama said:
I would agree with you on that, if we were talking about the Button of 2005/6. Unfortunately, in the last 18 months or so Button has totally lost his drive and ambition and no longer possesses the ability to compete at the sharp end or end people's careers. The Button of 2008 is a very ordinary driver who got beat, even by an old man, at the very end of his career.
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Rubens is a very experienced driver, age aside, and drove alongide Schumacher when he was winning everything and kept good pace with him on many occasion and was sometimes faster than him (trying to keep team order talk out of this).

I like Button. As a fan I like the way he is down to earth, honest and up front about his mistakes and feelings of his driving, his team and the sport. I certainly prefer his off track presence more to Hamiltons and other drivers. This is important to me and the sport just as much as the driving ability.

Buttons still young and he's let himself go over the past 18 months but he was good and he was talented and I don't think that will just disappear. He's had the talent all along but he ended up being another British driver to be messed around by Williams. Luckily BAR turned to be a decent outfit and gave Button a bit more profile, I just wish Honda didn't come along and drop the ball!
 
MooMoo444 said:
and I don't recall a lollypop ever costing a team the drivers championship :p:p
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I don't recall the light system costing Massa the title either. All those spins at Silverstone could have done it. Or the wayward time in Australia. Or the skating off the road in Malaysia. Or than engine going pop in Hungary.

Think about it. If that engine had just held together a little longer in Hungary, and if he'd just been able to keep the car on the road in Malaysia, and if he hadn't spun quite so much in Britain, and if he'd not had such a poor race in Australia then the Singapore mess wouldn't have mattered one bit. So how can the light system have cost him the championship given that there were so many other candidates for that honour to choose from?

Same goes for 2007 and Hamilton. What cost him the title? The failing to score at the 'ring? The tyre falling to bits in China? The team orders at Monaco? The skating wide and the engine shut-off in Brazil?

Or all of the above?
 
JRS said:
Absolutely. And anyone who's actually read my posts on here over the years will know that I favour a return to the old 1 hour, 12 laps, smell-of-an-oily-rag qualifying format. And the return of different engine configs. And a massive overhaul of the car construction rules. And the removal of Max "I've been a very naughty boy" Mosley.
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We should form a united OcUK Alliance and take over F1.

- Bring back low fuel qualifying (althought I do like the knock out format, atleast u get a full hour rather than the 15 min dash that the 60 min sessions used to be)
- Small Turbo engines vs large NA engines, mechanical vs electrical vs no KERS, Michelin vs Goodyear vs Bridgestone
- Allow customer cars (bit limit the number of cars, i.e. 1 customer team per chassis meaning max 4 of the same chassis on the grid)
- Teams must make all details of development public when they have been used competitively (i.e. in qualifying or a race)
- Shoot Max Mosely. Hes broken WRC and the FIA GT Championship, and F1 has been buggered for years.

Come to think of it, havent people been saying this kinda stuff for years?
 
JRS said:
I don't recall the light system costing Massa the title either. All those spins at Silverstone could have done it. Or the wayward time in Australia. Or the skating off the road in Malaysia. Or than engine going pop in Hungary.

Think about it. If that engine had just held together a little longer in Hungary, and if he'd just been able to keep the car on the road in Malaysia, and if he hadn't spun quite so much in Britain, and if he'd not had such a poor race in Australia then the Singapore mess wouldn't have mattered one bit. So how can the light system have cost him the championship given that there were so many other candidates for that honour to choose from?
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Easy, his mistakes are his mistakes. The light system error was not his fault.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Easy, his mistakes are his mistakes. The light system error was not his fault.
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Which is significant.....why?

2007 China and the tyre problems wasn't exactly Hamilton's fault either yet the case could still be made that it cost him the title. I just don't see why Singapore is more significant in Massa's losing of the title than his engine blowing in Hungary, or his torrid British GP, or his retirement in Malaysia, or his difficult Australian GP.

Anyway, we're drifting off-topic again since this is the off-season thread. Ferrari launch their new car on Monday according to ITV-F1.com - early by their standards isn't it? Will be interesting to see if it changes much between then and the start of the season.
 
JRS said:
Anyway, we're drifting off-topic again since this is the off-season thread. Ferrari launch their new car on Monday according to ITV-F1.com - early by their standards isn't it? Will be interesting to see if it changes much between then and the start of the season.
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Why would it be interesting? Most release cars change significantly before the opening GP.
 
gord said:
<Peeks head in>

<Sees conversation about Massa's light debacle at Singapore>

<Wonders what time of year it is>

<Trundles out>
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If you'd have read more of the thread you'd see we're discussing it because Ferrari in their infinite wisdom are going to be using the traffic light system again in the upcoming season.
 
philjohn said:
If you'd have read more of the thread you'd see we're discussing it because Ferrari in their infinite wisdom are going to be using the traffic light system again in the upcoming season.
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Well, I've already read that conversation halfway through the season when Massa was released into the path of another driver and they still used it through till Singapore. Honestly.. I think we have discussed everything! Give us new stuff! Comon 2009! Need F1 back! Suffering... withdrawals.... headaches..... breakdown.......
 
Won't the BBC still be using the local broadcasters footage like ITV? If so then even if they wanted to give us HD, they probably couldn't as they are relying on other countries equipment.

It would be nice if the British GP was in HD, but apart from that I thought the only country doing it was Japan? (Last years race at Fuji was covered using HD equipment)
 
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