F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

Plenty of sandbagging went on last season during the Friday testing day and it wasn't until qually one/two that the true speed of the top cars was always apparent.

I would disagree with that statement, strongly.

What was happening was that Ferrari were generally slow in practise sessions and would then go all out in qualifying. Massa was particularly guilty of this. My own take was that they were simply running on higher fuel loads and weren't pushing as hard.

There is absolutely no point in sandbagging, unless you are unbelievably confident that you will nail pole position and win the race (ie. your car can probably run at least 1s/lap quicker than your opposition's).

Sandbagging is dangerous as it prevents you getting your optimum set-up and finding the limits the speed at which you can take corners, which is what you are doing during the practise sessions.

I honestly can't think of a single reason why one team would go slow, on purpose, during a practise session (unless they are running on high fuel loads or going easy on the engine, which during pre-season tests, isnt required).

I say this every pre-season: if you are fastest in January and February in testing, then you will probably be fastest in the first few GPs of the year. This has been witnessed over the last decade or so.
 
who knows, they might have a full 2009 spec wing, but have seen RBR's rear wing and want to copy it already :D

In that case, they would strap on the full 2009 wing. Begin development/construction of the modified (copied from Red-bull) wing and strap that on as soon as it is ready.

There seem to be a lot of conspiracy theorists here.
 
Red Bull's car was kept hidden away for ages with no-one seeing it, it gets released and is very, very quick. You accept this.

Yes. Though, I would like to see how it compares against McLaren and Ferrari, when they are in full 2009 trim. We should find out in the next test as the last test was the second major test (where both tests were effected by bad weather).

Yet you have no confidence in the much bigger team doing something similar with just a single part of the car?

Absolutely. Red Bull took a risk by doing what they did, as they felt that missing out on 1 or 2 testing sessions wouldnt hinder them too much. They got lucky in that the early testing session was a wash-out for most teams. This meant that teams couldnt benefit from the test as much as they might have. There is absolutely no way that Red Bull could've predicted it: it was pure luck.

When Red Bull released their car, McLaren had only done about 500 miles of testing, which isnt much, considering that most GPs are about 150-200 miles. So, due to bad weather, McLaren were unable to gain a huge advantage over Red Bull. I think Ferrari did though. ;)

Red Bull might take a risk to close the gap to McLaren/Ferrari, however McLaren are already the No.1/2 team, which means they are likely to take fewer risks, as they have more to lose and it wouldnt make sense for them to try and develop a secret car/part in secrecy. It really would be crazy for them to do this as it may turn out to be slow/unreliable.

Once again, far too many conspiracy theories here.
 
Yes we are a multi-million pound operation and take risks all the time.
Nobody here has a clue what they are doing,we just stumble along hoping we get lucky :)
 
Nobody here has a clue what they are doing,we just stumble along hoping we get lucky :)

Ah, the "Mastercard Lola"* school of Formula One aero design ;)


* - or "Life racing Engines" school, depending on how far back you want to go for sheer ineptitude in GP racing.

CS||nuTs said:
Looks like it is going to be the most interesting season in F1 for a good few years, for everyone.

Hope so, since last year managed to grind me down to the point of not even watching the final race.....
 
Yes we are a multi-million pound operation and take risks all the time.
Nobody here has a clue what they are doing,we just stumble along hoping we get lucky :)

Well, part of sport and business is to take risks. Sometimes these risks pay-off and other times it doesn't (eg. Honda's strategy of developing the following year's car, every year).

So, yeah, I totally agree with your statement.

:p

Oh and Red Bull havent got lucky yet. Vettel finished 2nd in testing (albeit full 2009 spec). Lets wait for McLaren to finish off their 2009 spec wing. I'm still confident that hats will not be eaten this year. ;)
 
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