He was highlighting why getting your facts from wiki is not always the true picture, seemed easy enough to follow
F1 2012 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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He was highlighting why getting your facts from wiki is not always the true picture, seemed easy enough to follow
Soldato
Jean Eric Vergne and Daniel Ricciardo to replace Buemi and Algesuari at Torro Rosso. Risky having pretty much two rookie's but should be exciting to watch!
Fits with what I was saying a little while back. Algesuari and Buemi had become 'stale' in that team. Not going forward, not going backwards, and with lots of Red Bull backed drivers lined up it made no sense them not utilising their own B Team as a training ground.
I hope Ricciardo does a Senna, and shows that the limiting factor was the HRT and not his ability. He seems like a decent chap.
No idea what Vergne is like, don't even think I know what he looks like. He was quick in the tests though so should be good.
I hope Ricciardo does a Senna, and shows that the limiting factor was the HRT and not his ability. He seems like a decent chap.
No idea what Vergne is like, don't even think I know what he looks like. He was quick in the tests though so should be good.
Soldato
One last bit from me on this subject and then I'll shut up:
I went nowhere near Wikipedia, or F1 Rejects for that matter, when I wrote that post. I merely named several teams who I'd rate as a joke before HRT, Marussia and TL/Caterham. You then went off on one. Following me calling you out on that, you backtracked and made a half-hearted apology, one which you now seem to be going back on.
OH WELL.
For the record, by the end of their time in F1 TWR Arrows were a joke. And not even a funny one. They couldn't hang onto a designer for more than a season, chopped and changed engine contracts, chopped and changed drivers. They had zero stability, not much more than zero credibility, and when both cars failed to make it off the start line for the formation lap in Australia in 2002 it pretty much confirmed what any halfway intelligent observer knew long before - they were doomed.
But doubtless you know all that, since you're such a well informed viewer of F1 who knows so much about the sport and actually knows more than everyone else here....
Back on topic:
Didn't see TR changing both drivers. Going to be interesting to see how those two get on. Been impressed with Ricciardo so far, and Vergne seems to have a decent turn of speed. Which seats are left now then? One seat at Williams, one at HRT?
I went nowhere near Wikipedia, or F1 Rejects for that matter, when I wrote that post. I merely named several teams who I'd rate as a joke before HRT, Marussia and TL/Caterham. You then went off on one. Following me calling you out on that, you backtracked and made a half-hearted apology, one which you now seem to be going back on.
OH WELL.
For the record, by the end of their time in F1 TWR Arrows were a joke. And not even a funny one. They couldn't hang onto a designer for more than a season, chopped and changed engine contracts, chopped and changed drivers. They had zero stability, not much more than zero credibility, and when both cars failed to make it off the start line for the formation lap in Australia in 2002 it pretty much confirmed what any halfway intelligent observer knew long before - they were doomed.
But doubtless you know all that, since you're such a well informed viewer of F1 who knows so much about the sport and actually knows more than everyone else here....
Back on topic:
Didn't see TR changing both drivers. Going to be interesting to see how those two get on. Been impressed with Ricciardo so far, and Vergne seems to have a decent turn of speed. Which seats are left now then? One seat at Williams, one at HRT?
Soldato
Didn't see that one coming from Toro Rosso! 
The two drivers were stale Skeeter, you're very correct in saying that.
Can we cut the arguing though please guys, start another thread if you want to discuss that sort of stuff. No need to get het up with each other!
The two drivers were stale Skeeter, you're very correct in saying that.Can we cut the arguing though please guys, start another thread if you want to discuss that sort of stuff. No need to get het up with each other!
Didn't see that one coming from Toro Rosso!
Its a risky move, but I think its the right one.
Buemi needed to go, given what 2.5 seasons now and hasn't really made the difference. Algesuari had the odd good point (mixing it up and driving different/harder strategies) but as Brundle has ponted out was probably thrown in the deep end too soon, which is a shame but hopefully has done just enough to sort something out (reserve and in another category if nothing else)
Least Ricciardo gets a bash in car that he should have a resonable go in (no idea about the other guy though)
Least Ricciardo gets a bash in car that he should have a resonable go in (no idea about the other guy though)
Maybe that was the point though, they have employed someone with many years experience of how to develop fast race cars?
Soldato
Forgot just how young Alguersuari is!
Maybe the 2 will end up being team mates, would make it the Spanish national side
Pretty chuffed with the TR decision though means young drivers have a crack with a semi decent car instead of one which is destined for the back rows.
Soldato
So, I just logged onto that twittersphere to see what I could see, and I noticed the following..
JakeHumphryF1 said:
Originally Posted by JakeHumphryF1
Potential changes at Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes and more may make winter '12 interesting. 1 Williams and 1 HRT seat left for 2012
Massa out, Webber to retire along with Schu. Sergio Perez into Ferrari, not sure about Red Bull, would be awesome to see Kobayashi though. Perhaps Ricciardo or Vergne if they do as well as Vettel did. Di Resta into Mercedes would be the obvious option if he continues to improve and Force India give him a good car.
Potential changes at Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes and more may make winter '12 interesting. 1 Williams and 1 HRT seat left for 2012
Massa out, Webber to retire along with Schu. Sergio Perez into Ferrari, not sure about Red Bull, would be awesome to see Kobayashi though. Perhaps Ricciardo or Vergne if they do as well as Vettel did. Di Resta into Mercedes would be the obvious option if he continues to improve and Force India give him a good car.
Soldato
Well officially, Trulli has a contract with Caterham for 2012 alongside Kovalainen. But I think Caterham would be better off buying him out and getting in Alguersuari or possibly Barrichello if they're looking to replace experience with experience and entusiasm.