F1 2012 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

Mr Men said:
Lack of testing was across the board, other teams have managed just fine,
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Yes, because all the other teams were starting from square 1 having never competed in F1 before...

for goodness sake Virgin did not even have a wind tunnel, a joke.
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Because their £40m budget plans could not afford one.

And they used CFD, widely considered by all the established teams to be the future of aero development, if just not quite yet. It was a bold plan, and it didn't work, but you cannot call them a joke for making the best effort they could with the facilities and funds they had.
 
Skeeter said:
Yes, because all the other teams were starting from square 1 having never competed in F1 before...

Because their £40m budget plans could not afford one.

And they used CFD, widely considered by all the established teams to be the future of aero development, if just not quite yet.
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LOL

I can go no further than this :) you can make excuses for them all day long, it's a joke they are in the sport.
 
Mr Men said:
I can go no further than this :) you can make excuses for them all day long, it's a joke they are in the sport.
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Earlier someone compared the new teams to Minardi and Arrows.

In their first three seasons, Minardi managed to complete just ten races - and did so badly in one of them they weren't classified - they failed to qualify for three, and were disqualified from another.

Compare that to HRT: 53 finishes in two seasons (one not classified) and two failed to qualify.

Ah, but you may whine at least the Minardi's were close to race pace? No. At the '86 Mexican Grand Prix (chosen because it's the only one where both cars actually finished) they came 2 and 4 laps off the lead. Alessandro Nannini did so badly that no less than three cars that didn't finish the race were classified above him. In comparison at the 2011 European Grand Prix - where the HRTs were 23rd and 24rd - they finished 2 and 3 laps behind the leaders.

Arrows, admittedly, did rather better than Minardi in their first season. But they'd stolen their design from the Shadow team and were eventually banned from racing the car that took a podium in their first season by the High Court.

So, frankly, I think all three of the new teams have done pretty well considering how hard it is to enter F1 and compared to other teams who've brought entirely new cars in. I'm impressed that they've managed to keep bringing a working car to races and notching up finishes.
 
arknor said:
arrows and minardi were around when it was a much tougher sport.......
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They were around when aspects were much easier. Namely aerodynamics.

So it wasn't really tougher at all. It's different and the teams have aero so perfect they are fighting for the last littel 0.2%, it's hard and expensive to come in and get the same aero and thus lap times.
Engine freeze has made reliability easier. But overall it's a much more costly and complicated sport.
 
it was an era when some teams were constantly running a car around a track blowing massive budgets that would dwarf todays.
anyway i cant be bothered to argue with people whos only knowledge of it comes from the wiki or f1rejects.com

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how about skeeter adds me on ignore, theres no point discussing the 80/90s with anyone whos only knowledge of it comes from a wiki or a book they have a skewed perspective.

reminds me of the threads on some other forums atm because os jos comments who claim beneeton must have had traction control because they read the wiki about it..

the wiki doesnt mention the ecu source code was made by mclaren and maybe thats why benneton couldnt remove it, they dont mention the LC relied on sensors that were never found to have been fitted on the cars during a race weekend etc.

wikis and books tend to leave out a lot of information
 
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arknor said:
the wiki doesnt mention the ecu source code was made by mclaren and maybe thats why benneton couldnt remove it, they dont mention the LC relied on sensors that were never found to have been fitted on the cars during a race weekend etc.
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Genuine question, but why was the ECU source code supplied by McLaren? I was under the impression that prior to the current standardised ECU, everyone ran one from a range of suppliers and supplemented the initial code with some tailored specifically to their own car and engine needs. :confused:
 
JHeaton said:
Genuine question, but why was the ECU source code supplied by McLaren? I was under the impression that prior to the current standardised ECU, everyone ran one from a range of suppliers and supplemented the initial code with some tailored specifically to their own car and engine needs. :confused:
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The ECU was actually Mclaren's from when they used Ford engines....that same ECU program was given with the new Ford engines in 1994.
it never would have worked without hardware sensors anyway which is why benneton got off with it so lightly. (as no sensors were found to have been used on the car during a race weekend)
 
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because i said hrt , virgin are a joke atleats the back end teams like minardi and arrows had some respect from the larger teams.

then someone ran off to the wiki and brough up mastercard lola etc.

you should know why were off toipic seeing as you replied to my post "Coming from a guy who couldn't name both Toro Rosso drivers. "but maybe you were just trolling my again as usual"

if its to obvious i doubt the mods will be so light on you the 3rd time :)

just add me on ignore
First wiki, now wiki & books.

So what team did you work for then?
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i dont need to have worked for a team a lot of informartion is relayed to fans during a season that never gets included into books and wikis.

especially when youre talking about periods when the internet wasnt considered importaint
 
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