F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

MooMoo444 said:
Quite recently actually. Trulli in 2012 :p

He was the best driver in F1 at holding the pack up
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Basically like Nico he was a great qualifier. Truili in a fast car was fast enough.

Nico isn't a great racer. He easily out-qualified Schumacher, but Schumacher usually caught him or got close during the races. Since Hamilton can qualify and race well, Nico is going to struggle.
 
~Mike~ said:
Why hasn't Ferrari confirmed Vettel yet? Surely Alonso hasn't got some clause in his contract preventing them from doing so until he announces where he is going?
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There's a 3-week gap between Sochi and Texas, so there's plenty of time to sort it out and announce it in Texas, though I half expect them to announce it at Ferrari world in Abu Dhabi.

To be honest he's likely already signed for them (and certainly agreed in principle), but with much of the paddocks thoughts in Japan, they're waiting for the right time.

If compensation was required (would depend on any clauses Vettel in his contract) then Ferrari aren't going to buy him out of contract then watch him join McLaren.
 
It's nice that you can post something that specifically highlights who did what in what race with big easy highlighted box and you managed to miscount. He finished ahead in 2 races, 3 really but with the time penalty(ridiculous for a complete non incident) he dropped behind Button in the official standings for the race.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
It's nice that you can post something that specifically highlights who did what in what race with big easy highlighted box and you managed to miscount. He finished ahead in 2 races, 3 really but with the time penalty(ridiculous for a complete non incident) he dropped behind Button in the official standings for the race.
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Oh and it's nice to see that you can assume to know better than the Stewards of an F1 event with all your expert armchair telemetry data and F1 experience sat at home.

Right on bro'... ! \o/
 
smr said:
Button vs Magnusson Stats:

http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2014-f1/button-versus-magnussen/

I didn't realise that Button has finished ahead of Mag in EVERY SINGLE race apart from just one (Austria) this season.

Blimey.
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Once again, for the sake of other Jenson fans, please please please stop posting all this fan boy nonsense. It makes any sensible discussion about him or any other driver he might have teamed with or met once or twice simply impossible.

Yes, he's done a decent job this year. Yes, K-Mag has made some mistake that you'd expect from most rookies. But please, stop shoving it down our throats. I for one don't like the taste.
 
Miscounted? There's nothing to count, the totals are there at the bottom of the page!

Fanboyism aside, I'm trying to decide if the disparity between the qualifying and race result stats say more about Buttons qualifying, or Magnussens race pace?
 
Skeeter said:
Fanboyism aside, I'm trying to decide if the disparity between the qualifying and race result stats say more about Buttons qualifying, or Magnussens race pace?
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Could be both....

Button admits to being poor at quali and it's an area he says he is constantly working on (not judging his comments) so perhaps through experience he sets his car up for race day knowing that. He has to be doing something right on race day to still be able to perform better than his team mate in most cases who was supposed to come in and be the new Hamilton and don't forget in the past he has kept 'better' drivers honest too.

KMag is meant to be an all out racer so he should have one lap pace so he would in theory set his car to be the fastest it can be but that could be at the detriment of race day, it could cause more fuel usage, more tyre wear etc and even driving style could be a reason. This could in theory improve over time but at the same time it might not.

Then obviously there is the car performance characteristics to consider.
 
I was staggered to see Button had nearly twice as many points as Magnussen. I know Magnussen has got himself into trouble 2 or 3 times, but it's not as though Button has regularly been in the big points this year to punish him.

Even considering Magnussen is a rookie you have to say if one of them gets to stay at McLaren next year it would have to be Button.
 
The_Abyss said:
Once again, for the sake of other Jenson fans, please please please stop posting all this fan boy nonsense. It makes any sensible discussion about him or any other driver he might have teamed with or met once or twice simply impossible.

Yes, he's done a decent job this year. Yes, K-Mag has made some mistake that you'd expect from most rookies. But please, stop shoving it down our throats. I for one don't like the taste.
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I wouldnt say i go on about him all the time. Theres a lot of button bashers on here that dont get told to shut up anyway.

It seems as though im the only one around here that defends button. And besides this is an interesting talking point as to what happens next in the driver market... all the other big drivers.. alo ham ric vet rai etc. We know where they are off to. Button is the only unknown so it makes sense to discuss it on this thread? :confused:

Btw if youre sick of button talk dont check out the 52 page button vs magnusson thread on autosport whatever you do! :p
 
this_is_gav said:
I was staggered to see Button had nearly twice as many points as Magnussen. I know Magnussen has got himself into trouble 2 or 3 times, but it's not as though Button has regularly been in the big points this year to punish him.

Even considering Magnussen is a rookie you have to say if one of them gets to stay at McLaren next year it would have to be Button.
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Itd literally be a twice as many if not for the singapore dnf.
 
smr said:
Itd literally be a twice as many if not for the singapore dnf.
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you could also argue that in the first race Button held station in third/fourth because the team wouldn't gain anything etc by him getting in front of KMag.

I'd also argue that Button has been getting results that are a lot better than the car was/is capable of compared with other teams. He's sitting in 7th (arguably massa should be higher, he's 9th, with the car he has but he's had issues), the 4th fastest Merc car yet the McLaren has realistically been the slowest of the Merc engined cars most of this year and then you have red bull and arguably ferrari... so that's 5 other teams, 10 drivers, that have better cars.
 
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smr said:
Oh and it's nice to see that you can assume to know better than the Stewards of an F1 event with all your expert armchair telemetry data and F1 experience sat at home.

Right on bro'... ! \o/
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The "you're at home and you're not a steward/referee/manager/football player/driver" argument is nonsense, it has always been nonsense, it will always be nonsense. Discuss a point or don't bother posting.

Magnussen got a penalty for driving someone off a track in a race which Rosberg did worse, admitted it, got fined 200k by his own team for the incident.... but the stewards did nothing.

Stewards are crap, oh and telemetry proves nothing in 99% of cases. Again something I've only seen insanely poor arguments based on. Racing incident vs on purpose contact will be differentiated by telemetry how exactly? Someone pushes someone off the track, or not, it will be shown in telemetry how? Stewards, referees(basically what their job is) in all other sports, they do get decisions wrong, consistently, they get them right as well but pretending they can't be wrong is plainly ridiculous because incorrect decisions happen frequently.

The Spa penalty of 20 seconds pushed Button up a spot and let him finish ahead of Magnussen, it was a tight call on if he pushed him off the track. When Magnussen moved over Alonso certainly wasn't alongside him. It's a defensive move the question is did he cover the space before Alonso got alongside completely. I don't know, if you go back to Rosberg not getting a penalty for the same thing a couple years back it was because Rosberg defended, closed any gap before someone got alongside. Either way that is an incredibly tight call.

The penalty at Monza, again letting Button finish ahead, I forgot and it was two races he finished ahead and Button got promoted ahead of him, was a completely ludicrous penalty. Many people were more aggressive than him and got no penalty. The Spa one is debatable if it was deserved, the Monza one simply wasn't, probably 5-6 other similar incidents happened in that race that went unpunished because it didn't need to be.

If both of those penalties weren't given Magnussen would be a lot closer, with Button having less points and Magnussen having a bunch more.
 
lsg1r said:
you could also argue that in the first race Button held station in third/fourth because the team wouldn't gain anything etc by him getting in front of KMag.

I'd also argue that Button has been getting results that are a lot better than the car was/is capable of compared with other teams. He's sitting in 7th (arguably massa should be higher, he's 9th, with the car he has but he's had issues), the 4th fastest Merc car yet the McLaren has realistically been the slowest of the Merc engined cars most of this year and then you have red bull and arguably ferrari... so that's 5 other teams, 10 drivers, that have better cars.
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Average start position for Button/Mag 8.63/9, average finish position 6.93/9.4
average start position for Hulk/Perez 10.69/11.81, average finish position 7.8/8.33.

Outside of Perez being a horrible qualifier and great in race, Mclaren have started significantly ahead of FI on average by over 2 grid positions and finished relatively equal. Mclaren have a better qualifying car than FI, who have okay race pace but generally being slow and steady strategy with less pitstops where they can get away with it which doesn't lend to on track improvements.

Mclaren have over the season been the third best Mercedes car quite clearly. In fact the only races Mclaren have been flat out crap at where Bahrain, China and Spain, in every other race they've had one car finish between 2nd and 8th. It's not brilliant and Magnussen has had too many finishes 10th or below, though of course 2 of them he did physically finish several places higher without the penalties being added.

Mclaren haven't been nearly as bad as some people like to make out.

Massa is a joke of a driver, Mclaren is miles and miles behind Mercedes, which given their budget they shouldn't be mixing it up with Williams or FI. Massa hits anything that moves and trashes his tires frequently ruining his teams race strategy.
 
I don't think there could be a more disturbing, or upsetting conversation in F1 today than Smedley calling in Massa and saying "Alonso is faster than you..... so we're giving him your seat".

For that reason alone I want Alonso to go to Williams. I do think it's genuinely his best chance of being competitive next year. Mclaren might be his best chance to be competitive over the next 3-4 years. While I don't think Mclaren will knock it out the park next year(nor Honda) the year after, IF they rebuild the right way in the same way Mercedes have, they have a better long term capability to produce a top car because they have so much more money than Williams. though Williams will get a huge bump in championship income for next season and Alonso could probably help the team attract a big name sponsor, put those things together and build on this years success and they could have a bigger budget and better driver team next year.
 
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